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I would argue--and this is my perspective that I fully understand you may disagree with--that the principles in the book can be applied to most synthesizers out there. Look at the chapters: they cover envelopes, filters, oscillators, modulation, and frequency modulation. These are all pretty universal concepts that apply to most synthesizers.
I was referring more to the tutorial examples, rather than the theory sections.

I'm serious about this. When writing about sound, I don't understand how you can write about anything other than specifics. To write about generalities--especially when you are talking about something as abstract as sound--is to make the topic applicable to no one. How can a book that is applicable to no synthesizer on the market be more applicable than one that is applicable to the five most popular synthesizers on the market (at the time of writing)?

As I say, this is a serious issue for me. I've mentioned my next synthesizer book (http://noisesculpture.com/synthwiz.html) and I'm keen to incorporate any feedback from my previous books. As you have seen, I did incorporate people's comments when there was the (correct) view that I had excluded Macs.

I have another very real and very practical difficulty where I would like your input: each specific synthesizer sounds different. Try it for yourself: get three synthesizers from three different manufacturers and set up a patch where you run a sawtooth wave into a 24 dB filter and modulate the filter with an envelope.

Then try and get EXACTLY the same sound on all three synthesizers. To my mind if you can't hear sonic differences, then you need to check your ears.

If you can't create a sound that can be replicated completely on any synthesizer, then how do you describe it in a book? How does the reader know when they are hearing the sound as you intended? The job is already tough enough to explain in words how to create a sound on a specific synth--if you move a knob or two by a few percent, you can make a huge difference to the sound?
Well, just keep in mind as you read my response, that what I say obviously shouldn't be construed as anything authoritative or completely practical, which I'm sure you're fully aware of. I'm just not that qualified. Also, as my problems stemmed from the tutorials and examples, that's what I'll focus on, as the theory was executed as well as it could be. They are my problems to deal with, but, as someone who's in your target market for these books, it's worth addressing.

As in "How to make a noise", the theory can be written and explained, with helpful diagrams and such. I'm sure that's a given.

As for describing and teaching sounds, I think you have the right idea about having sound files included with the book as a reference. But this time, the sound files could possibly coinciding with each step you give in the tutorial. Emphasize the differences between synthesizers and that your sound examples are meant to be as general as can be and do not sound like synth xyz, just so that other users are aware of the differences. You could include the name of the synthesizer you're using in case readers want to duplicate what you do to a pin point, with the synth being mac and PC compatible, though you've already addressed that.

If you had a small sound file for each step in your tutorial, even if everyone is using a different synthesizer, they'll at least be able to hear the difference in YOUR example. They can hear the effect a 24db filter makes on a sawtooth, how the tuning affects the pitch, etc. etc. . I feel like even if you were using a different synthesizer, if one could hear the difference between each step, and at the same time read an explanation on why that difference is happening, then they would better make the connections in their head. "Ok, reducing the cutoff takes away higher frequencies". These connections would be easy to transfer between any synthesizer, as the reader would have an auditory, as well as abstract, idea in their mind as to how doing x does y. They would know what stimulus has which response in terms of sound. Additionally, if you were maybe to give narration during these step sound files, like "Now I'm changing xx, hear how yy is affected?", as an added reference for the readers, could be helpful.

I realize this is essentially holding the reader's hand through nearly everything and that these methods would probably be difficult to apply to more advanced techniques and theories. However, for beginners, it could be a very useful tool. With something like synthesizers, which is so dependent on sound, it would at least provide another angle to aid in the learning process. People tend to excel in learning either by hearing new information, by seeing it, or by actually getting hands on. I think this approach could manage to handle each of these learning styles. I know my learning style, a combination of hearing and hands-on, struggled with your last book because I got frustrated without being able to hear what was supposed to be happening while being hands-on with the synthesizers I have. Though that's specific to me, it's worth noting. Also, I know a lot of people buy a synth first and learn it second, so to have tutorials that could be done by most synthesizers would help. But, as I said, the drawback is that some synths may not have certain options. I'm not entirely sure how to deal with that. But, a lot of the same principles are universal in sound design regardless of which synth is being used (though synthesis types can't be taught as universal).

Now, I imagine that the sound file idea could be costly and difficult to implement. I'm not familiar with the process you would go through to implement these ideas if you ever considered them. However, as I said, this is purely speculation, I'm not knowledgeable enough to say how practical these ideas would work in the context of your goals, constraints, and vision.

Also, I should of said this earlier, but my first post was made when I was feeling frustrated, so I was a bit harsher and judgemental than necessary. However, those were my exact feelings at the time and they were conveyed in full. So for the purposes of feedback and insight from customers on your book, it's just one more user's experience, this time more negative than others.

Synthesis is a difficult subject to learn just because nothing is standard in the world of synthesizers aside from the theory behind sound design. People are kind of forced to jump in and learn on their own, usually after having bought a synth. While manuals are always useful tools, they don't offer comprehensive information on the theory of how synths work and the principles of sound design. Books that teach this are important, so I hope that you continue your effort to provide a means of teaching this stuff to new users. It's a very open market for a practical, effective, and approachable book on synthesis. If you were to make the right book, it could essentially become the standard, as no-one has really established their book as THE book to buy and learn from. I hope everything I've posted helps in some way,

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Arkaic wrote:
Simon_Cann wrote: I would argue--and this is my perspective that I fully understand you may disagree with--that the principles in the book can be applied to most synthesizers out there. Look at the chapters: they cover envelopes, filters, oscillators, modulation, and frequency modulation. These are all pretty universal concepts that apply to most synthesizers.
I was referring more to the tutorial examples, rather than the theory sections.
But now you're changing your argument. Look back at what you said originally:
Arkaic wrote:I'll be honest, I strongly dislike this book.
This is a clear, unambiguous criticism of the WHOLE book. Now you are suggesting that actually you think chapters 1 through 11 are fine but you don't like chapter 12.

If this is the case, will you please formally revoke your previous criticism of the whole book so that future potential readers can understand the specific areas to which your comments relate.
Arkaic wrote:Well, just keep in mind as you read my response, that what I say obviously shouldn't be construed as anything authoritative or completely practical, which I'm sure you're fully aware of.
But we're getting to the very heart of my argument. I cannot NOT be practical. As an author, I have to make certain decisions about how I present issues in a practical manner. I cannot not present something because I don't know how to present it.

I made some choices for how I presented the material. To my mind there were no other practical ways to present this material other than to use specific examples. You have made criticisms of this approach--which is your right--but when I have asked for alternatives, you say your answer "shouldn't be construed as ... completely practical". You have not offered any way within the constraints of a book of how this material could be presented in a different manner.
Arkaic wrote:Also, I know a lot of people buy a synth first and learn it second, so to have tutorials that could be done by most synthesizers would help. But, as I said, the drawback is that some synths may not have certain options. I'm not entirely sure how to deal with that.
It seems you agree with me. Now let's move on.
Arkaic wrote:If you had a small sound file for each step in your tutorial, even if everyone is using a different synthesizer, they'll at least be able to hear the difference in YOUR example.
A sound file is certainly one approach. A video tutorial (rather than a book) is another approach.

However, (as you readily acknowledge) there are logistical difficulties in that you have to get the sound to the reader. The most obvious approach is to enclose a CD with the book, but this has significant cost implications. Another way is to make the files available on a website. Again there are cost implications, but there are other challenges (including actually getting people to listen to the files, what you do for people without internet access, and piracy). There is nothing insurmountable, but let's not overlook the commercial and practical issues.
Arkaic wrote:I feel like even if you were using a different synthesizer, if one could hear the difference between each step, and at the same time read an explanation on why that difference is happening, then they would better make the connections in their head.
Sure. And this works for the basic stuff. However, in my experience, this isn't the area where people have problems. Most people have no problems twisting a cut-off filter and understanding its basic effect on a sound.

When you move on from this you are back to my initial problem: people want to create specific sounds. Once people understand the basics the next question is "...but why doesn't MY synthesizer sound like YOUR example". Now that is something that is REALLY frustrating for people--for most people this is far more frustrating than having difficulty translating the sounds from one synthesizer to another.
Arkaic wrote:I realize this is essentially holding the reader's hand through nearly everything and that these methods would probably be difficult to apply to more advanced techniques and theories. However, for beginners, it could be a very useful tool.
Now let me again flip this one back to you with a question. How big is the market for synthesizer books which hold the hand of absolute beginners in the manner you envisage?
Arkaic wrote:People tend to excel in learning either by hearing new information, by seeing it, or by actually getting hands on.
People LEARN by doing, by getting hands-on. Any book I write is only useful if people can get hands on. Hearing and seeing are only a support to doing.
Arkaic wrote:Also, I should of said this earlier, but my first post was made when I was feeling frustrated, so I was a bit harsher and judgemental than necessary. However, those were my exact feelings at the time and they were conveyed in full.
I understand. However, you criticized my work (and by implication me) without reservation. While I understand your frustration, I believe the correct action on your part is to formally withdraw that all-embracing criticism.

I particularly think that your criticism is unwarranted given that there are so many ways you could preview the book, for instance: there's a free version, you can use the Search Inside the Book feature on Amazon, or you can preview the book on Google Books. There is really no sensible reason why you wouldn't have understood that the book covered six specific synthesizers before you laid down your cash.

Equally, I think you will find more value as a musician if you go back and read the book again. Read it for what it is--a book about synthesis which uses six specific synthesizers as examples (because, as we have all agreed, there is no alternative but to choose some synthesizers to use as examples) and learn from the areas you can draw inspiration. Then go and make some cool music. Surley that's the sensible approach.

Cheers

Simon

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Eh, Mr.Simon_Cann 8) ... IM(H)O this is a very clear case of what's described in this particular ebook: http://www.marketingapple.com/Marketing_Apple_eBook.pdf

on PAGE3, the 3'rd bullet ... speaking of a very special group :) ... arkaic..

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mauseoleum wrote:Eh, Mr.Simon_Cann 8) ... IM(H)O this is a very clear case of what's described in this particular ebook: http://www.marketingapple.com/Marketing_Apple_eBook.pdf

on PAGE3, the 3'rd bullet ... speaking of a very special group :) ... arkaic..
Hey Mauseoleum

You're being rather too cryptic for me, I'm afraid. I'm not quite sure what the point is you're making. That being said, I'm concerned that this thread may be heading off-topic, so I suggest you drop me a note off line: you can use the Contact button on my website (the link is in my signature).

I think it's also worth pointing out that, although I disagree with a lot of what he has said, Arkaic is in a very special group as far as I am concerned. That group is the bunch of people who have laid down cash and bought the book. My disappointment is that he doesn't perceive the full value of his purchase.

While it's easy for me to point to the things that I think are great such as the content (I don't think any other book is as comprehensive, nor as detailed, both in terms of quality and quantity) and the price (within it's genre, the book has got the cheapest cover price (even though it has over twice the content of some of its competitors), our friend still feels he hasn't got what he wanted. For me, that is a disappointment. If there is anything practical I can do to fix that, or change his opinion, then I will.

Cheers

Simon

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I appologize for "being cryptic": my admittedly rude, unlearned and redundant OT comment was targeted @ mac users who have their own little ways at expressing their own uniqueness and very-special-ness ... but whom better to ask than the apple marketing man himself (link provided above). :hihi:


Now: running out of the thread that isn't my bussiness whatsoever.
... zzzzzzzziiiiiiiinnnnng - see, I'm gone. 8)

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thanks for this bro

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Finally my hard copy arrived in the mail today! I look forward to reading through this book; I sincerely hope it teaches me a lot and improves my production skills. I've read good things about it and, so, I am excited to see what it has to offer ;)

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Use free synths.

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As a total synth n00b I'd really like to start understanding the very basics of programming. Just downloaded the free version of your book, and quickly skimming through it, it sure seems to deliver. Thank you!

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On the theme subject: to make real noise take the overdrive, ride cymbal, not a spring reverb for a long garage and mix it slightly. Has anyone a parametric of that? It is a base for the real analog waves. Brown noise.

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Thank you for writing this book. I ordered a hard copy a couple of days ago and it should arrive within a week. I already to some extent know many of the concepts explained in the book (as I've been roaming the net reading tutorials for the last month), but it's nice to have an offline source, and I'm sure it's going deeper than most tutorials.

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Mini-"review": I've had this book for almost a year now and I like it. The only problem I have with it is the focus on particular synths and too much bla bla. I wanted a more general and to the point approach.

->What follow IS NOT an excerpt from the book, I made this up, it's an example.

Instead of : "I'll create a pad in z3ta. z3ta offer many good options for bla bla bla.. You have a lot of choices for wave types. You can choose from saw, square, bla bla bla.. I tried a value of 0.45 seconds for the attack but bla bla bla... but found 0.7 to be just fine."

I would have prefer this : "In your synth choose a square wave with some pwm with a depth set to your liking and adjust the attack of the amp eg to taste, like 0.7 secs... Then you can tweak the decay of the filter eg to....".


BTW, I like the book. There's not a lot of book of this kind on the market and I'll gladly encourage Mr. Cann and will get his next book for sure. But for my taste it's far from perfect, but its still 99% better than anything you can find elsewhere. One thing that I was really impressed with is how he can find words to describe sounds. This can look simple but it's very hard.

So, if I rate the book comparing it to what's avaible elsewhere: 4.5/5
If I rate the book on its own, then I rate it 3/5. It IS GOOD but not really to my taste.

This can look like a negative review but it's not. I recommend the book to everybody that want to know how different type of systhesis works and want practical programming and sound design tips.


And btw, I wish you a happy new year Mr. Cann. :)

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I think anyone who has written a book that is general but with some specifics, regardless of the topic (and I have), understands that the reader is expected to transfer the information to his or her particular circumstance and needs as best as he or she can. That's all an author can do unless the topic is quite specific and restricted. So, using Cubase 4.x would be more applicable at the specific level than using DAWs in general to create music. The latter would require a more general approach that could be used by many people with different DAWs, but the reader would have to know or find out how to accomplish specific tasks on his or her DAW. It's really the fundamental principles offered that matter with more generalized approaches.

I bought Simon's book as a PDF a few years ago, and I think it does a good job of applying general information that could, with some effort on the reader's part, be applied to all synths in a general way. Yes, the details and particularly the features specific to more advanced synths would be beyond the scope of his book, but if the reader isn't able or willing to take at least some initiative, they aren't likely to succeed with these instruments anyway.
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I haven't read the whole thread, but why would one not have access to those 6 synths? They all have demos. That's what I did a while ago with the free version of Simon's book. Now that I own 3 of the 6, and am getting a VSTi that utilizes the Wusik engine, I'm getting the hard copy. And if I really apply my ass, then hopefully I'll be prepared when Simon finishes his work-in-progress. Another very good and instrument specific synth tutorial is Howard Scarr's freely downloadable tutorial from the Virus site. And look at any issue of CM, they illustrate a specific concept with a specific synth. I don't see what the f**king problem is.

Simon please keep up the good work for the majority of your readers.
Where have all the adverbs gone?

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Hey Simon! Your free book is very nice and it has been really helpful to me(still is). You are IMHO totally cool and very helpful guy and i am waiting your next book.

Arkaic if you are so damn smart then why you dont make your own free book? Or commercial one. :wink:

No really. If you are so sure of some "wrong things" in Simon free book maybe you know better? Make some stuff. If it turn to be good you can count me in.

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