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IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:44 pm

quincy wrote: I'm not denying you can't do clever stuff in cubase, but not to the level of complexity and freedom availabe in Ext or bidule for example.

..or inside a Tracktion Rack.

Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:44 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:I'm pointing out the falacy of the original post.

If all this is all about freeform routing then the guy is a TOTAL nutter. I'm not sure it would make my top 100 list of things that matter in a sequencer.

Total nutter? Guilty as charged, and for me the only thing that matters in a VST host. Take note that my host of choice, Audiomulch, has zero, no, none, zilch, nada sequencing capability.

But that's what the thread was originally about.

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:49 pm

I think the original purpose has been lost here, and that is that from a technical perspective it wouldn't take much coding to add extra modularity to many hosts so why the hell dont the developes do it?

It wouldn't take a whole re-design, even a simple drop-down box for "where to route this aduio to" would be enough to add extra functionality to many "linear" hosts, and under the hood it really wouldn't be that much work.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:49 pm

platinumears wrote: This is exactly the sort of comment that comes from people who have only messed about in T for an hour or two. Write a song with it, and you might understand..

This is exactly my point. When I bought VST ages ago I recorded my first song with drums, bass, guitar and keyboards within 30 minutes of installing the package. I mixed it and dumped my first completed song with VST effects about an hour after that. I never even opened the manual. It just all made sense.

I f**ked with T1 for 2 or 3 hours and couldn't get anything done and when I finally tried to export a song didn't make any sense what it wanted me to do. I had to read to figure it out. Not that reading is bad, it's just that I didn't find it intuitive at all.

In Cubase I click Ctrl+E then Enter.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:53 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:In Cubase I click Ctrl+E then Enter.

You intuited Ctrl+E then Enter?

Amazing.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:55 pm

shamann wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:In Cubase I click Ctrl+E then Enter.
You intuited Ctrl+E then Enter?
Amazing.

Actually no. I went to the file menu (which was intuitive) and the export option showed the key shortcut. So I didn't have to go back to the file menu again after that.

Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:59 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:When I bought VST ages ago I recorded my first song with drums, bass, guitar and keyboards within 30 minutes of installing the package. I mixed it and dumped my first completed song with VST effects about an hour after that. I never even opened the manual. It just all made sense.

Don't assume that's universal, though. I spent about an hour with Cubase VST once and literally got nowhere.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:01 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:Actually no. I went to the file menu (which was intuitive) and the export option showed the key shortcut. So I didn't have to go back to the file menu again after that.

Phew, that's good to know. I was worried you might be controlling us all with that massive inhuman brain of yours otherwise.

I've said it before, you are right, Cubase and other similar hosts can do some things better than other types of hosts, and back and forth.

But, Cubase has trouble with unlimited, flexible routing. Might be of no use to you, but still a host like Audiomulch makes that kind of module interconnectivity easier. 'S'all.

Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:02 pm

oh, I sought of upgraded from cubase VST 4 to tracktion 1, and I thought that was a good move. Both for me took time to get to get use to. The older cubase was adequate but limiting and tracktion solved those problems for me. Im waiting in anticipation for the release of Traction 2, but if the price is too high, I would think a more modern version of cubase would start to become more atractive. Traction is certainly is a very versatile piece of gear.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:05 pm

ok, lets go back ON topic then. If I have to choose between total PDC and Unlimited routing. I choose PDC.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:08 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:ok, lets go back ON topic then. If I have to choose between total PDC and Unlimited routing. I choose PDC.

orange or blue?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:12 pm

vurt wrote:orange or blue?

Clearly yellow is the easiest colour.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:13 pm

shamann wrote:
vurt wrote:orange or blue?
Clearly yellow is the easiest colour.

ouf!

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:20 pm

shamann wrote: But, Cubase has trouble with unlimited, flexible routing. Might be of no use to you, but still a host like Audiomulch makes that kind of module interconnectivity easier. 'S'all.

Hey now this I can support. eXT kicks ass. Many of those other apps kick ass and are great tools. I don't know a lot about Audiomulch other than it sounds like its for making mp3 composte.

Thinking that hosts are somehow "wrong" for not having built in freeform routing IS wrong. There are reasons for it and tools to overcome it. There are people who like Ableton Live for gods sake. So clearly the industry has to support even the most feable minded.

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:21 pm

with respect to the original question,
maybe "hardwired" works: neutral but maintains the hardware-like function of traditional sequencers.
Yes?
No?
Oh it's all so complicated here

How best to denigrate non-modular hosts?