Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[EnGee]

Yes, sure. I thought I did matched the two, but I overlooked the KT and mistook the feedback for overload.

Well, those two are incredible synths really. I thought to buy Korg Minilogue, but with these two (and RePro~1 from other side) really stopped me from doing this! I might buy Korg Monologue however (I think it is not an emulation of any retro synth) or maybe this MS-20 mini, but who knows? u-he or Synapse Audio might surprise us with an MS-20 emulation in the near future

[Ingonator]

I just tried reprogramming the patch also with Repro-1 and was close to give up. The overall sound is very differnt and the paramezer ranges for both the filter and envelopes too.
What's even worse is that at least without any effects activated with bigger amounts of Resonance Repro-1 looses almost all the low end in the sound. This is much better with both The Legend and Monark, especially if some Drive or Overlaod is added there.

I Repro-1 it gets better when you use teh Jaws Wavefolder effect. Without this it is more difficult to come in the "ballpark" of The Legend and Monark.

Here is a first approach for the Repro-1 patch using the built-in Jaws Wavefolder (for more low end) and Sonic Conditioner (for more loudness) effects:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... ss%201.png

[EnGee]

Yes, I noticed this with RePro~1, so that I've enabled the SonicCon effect. Maybe it is like that in the original! I have no idea.

Sure, it has a very different character. Actually, this is what I have learned from this simple comparison, that a part from the Legend and Monark, other synths have their own way of programming to discover. It is not just a match of parameters, or just another synth! When you play a lot with a synth, you are going to discover its strengths and its weaknesses. Then, with time, either you love it more or your love begins to fade away

[Ingonator]

Just added a few corrections to the Repro-1 patch and the screenshot is updated. If you like i could provide the patch file.

[EnGee]

Thanks Ingo

I think the snapshot is enough for me

[Ingonator]

Thanks Ingo

I think the snapshot is enough for me

I guess i coudl keep both patches for The Legend and Repto-1 as a kind of "guideline" when i want to reprogram otehr patches in Repro-1.

The parameter ranges and the basic sound in Repro-1 are really different and replicating patches from The Legend is not really simple. The filter with higher Resonance loses a lot of low end, more than Teh Legend or Monark do. In Repro-1 this could be compensated with the Jaws Wavefolder or teh built-in EQ FX.

[Ingonator]

So far with my own patches The Legend i mostly focused on polyphonic sounds, Brass sounds, Leads and recently Bandpass sounds but i will also create some more Basses soon.
Yesterday i alraedy made a few new ones. I am also testing them in combination with the Arpeggiator included with Live 9.

[Ingonator]

My collection of free patches for The Legend was updated to 128 patches now.
You could access the updated download at my thread in the Soundware forum:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8#p6704068

This latest update (13.02.2017) includes 15 new Bass patches and 5 new Lead patches.
The 6 Solina patches posted earlier are included too.
Several patches in the collection do use the BPF modes and most patches do use the aftertouch support.

[fluffy_little_something]

There is something about Legend that makes it sound as if it were slightly out of tune, a few cents too low, to be precise. I am not sure that is the case, but for some reason I get the impression. I compared an init patch (just one saw, full cutoff and sustain) to several other synths, which all (seem to) sound slightly higher in my view.
Anyone confirm that?

[Yorrrrrr]

There is something about Legend that makes it sound as if it were slightly out of tune, a few cents too low, to be precise. I am not sure that is the case, but for some reason I get the impression. I compared an init patch (just one saw, full cutoff and sustain) to several other synths, which all (seem to) sound slightly higher in my view.
Anyone confirm that?

Yes, it's the oscillators keytracking. Change it to 0 (mid position) in the back panel: you will have perfect key tracking and the oscillators will be tuned perfectly across the entire keyboard. The init patch has a value of 1 by default (which shows a -4 cent detuning with the help of a tuning plugin, GTune).

[fluffy_little_something]

Ah, ok I had double-clicked on everything, thought that would remove all detuning and stuff

And why is it set up like that by default? What's the point?

[chk071]

Alternatively, let The Legend warm up for 5 minutes before using it.

[fluffy_little_something]

Alternatively, let The Legend warm up for 5 minutes before using it.

If you pay my utility bills

[egbert101]

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[Ingonator]

There is something about Legend that makes it sound as if it were slightly out of tune, a few cents too low, to be precise. I am not sure that is the case, but for some reason I get the impression. I compared an init patch (just one saw, full cutoff and sustain) to several other synths, which all (seem to) sound slightly higher in my view.
Anyone confirm that?

Yes, it's the oscillators keytracking. Change it to 0 (mid position) in the back panel: you will have perfect key tracking and the oscillators will be tuned perfectly across the entire keyboard. The init patch has a value of 1 by default (which shows a -4 cent detuning with the help of a tuning plugin, GTune).

This is what makes the oscillators different from precise digital Oscs like e.g. in DUNE 2.5 and this is the behavior of a proprly modeled Minimoog Model D.

To tune final patches as good as possible you will need a tuning plugin. Most of the factory patches were fine tuned as good as possible. Anyway if it is in tune at e.g. C3 it could be a few cents different at lower and higher octaves (around 1 cent per octave wit hte Init patch).

FWIW NI Monark has exactly the same kind of behavior.

Example: In the Init patch of The Legend you have to set the global fine tune to +4 cents to have it in tune at C3. If you add a second Osc at a fine tune of around +8 you could set the global fine tune back to 0.
With key tracking at 0 and a second Osc added at +8 cents you would have to set the global tune to -4 cents. So the global tune also depends on the Osc detuning used (which could happen also in other synths).

If you set Osc keytracking to 0 like Yorrrrrr already mentioned the global tuning is at 0 cents with one oscillator. Anyway this way it sounds less analog and/or less like a real Minimoog Model D (even worse with settings below 0).

Adding Osc drift (back panel) at the maximum amount adds a variation of around 2.5 cents. With that used you could"reduce the "correction" from +4 cents mentioned above to +2 cents (Init patch).