DUNE 2 is out now!!

[wagtunes]

Shhh. Let him have his fun. LOL

Have fun in finding one single person in entire Universe who will like your soundbanks and that person not being made up by you, buddy.
LOL

Ouch. That hurt so much I'm going to have to go to the emergency to have my ego repaired.

And yet another person to add to my "I don't give a f**k" list.

[Aliens]

Until you unashamedly apologise for deliberately misrepresenting an opinion for cash, When you call the same synth both excellent and then thin and weedy, your opinion on synths and soundsets must be considered pretty worthless.

I suggest people reading this take this persons views with a very large grain of salt and just slide on past to find some honesty and integrity elsewhere

[wagtunes]

Until you unashamedly apologise for deliberately misrepresenting an opinion for cash, When you call the same synth both excellent and then thin and weedy, your opinion on synths and soundsets must be considered pretty worthless.

I suggest people reading this take this persons views with a very large grain of salt and just slide on past to find some honesty and integrity elsewhere

Who said that? I didn't see anybody here call Dune 2 thin and weedy.

[Aliens]

Who said that? I didn't see anybody here call Dune 2 thin and weedy.

Sometimes people need reminding that what they read on the internet isn't always truthful, and in your case, can be deliberately misleading and disingenuous. If they didn't see that comment tree about Hive, it's an eye opener definitely worth checking out.

I don't want a conversation, especially with those I consider untrustworthy, so obfuscate away.

[wagtunes]

Who said that? I didn't see anybody here call Dune 2 thin and weedy.

I don't want a conversation, especially with those I consider untrustworthy, so obfuscate away.

Okay, I've got NO idea what you're talking about but whatever. I'll just search through the thread myself and find it.

[Aliens]

Don't worry, I never forget. I'll save you the trouble.
This should be a compulsory addition to your signature.
Anyway, back to the thread topic - Wagtune's bottom line.


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I bought the synth. So I have EVERY right to critique it.

OK but you didn't have to buy it. You could have just tried the demo.

I bought it for business reasons. Not for personal use.

Your website says it is incredible..

Yeah because saying "I got this library for this really awful synth" is good business sense.

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To me, Hive sounds thin and lifeless. And the FX are, IMO, abysmal. They are, without a doubt, the cheapest sounding worst FX I have heard on a synth since FM8. And even its FX sound better. You have to literally take almost every effect in Hive and plaster it onto a patch to make it sound good.

[wagtunes]

Oh, okay. The whole Hive issue. Well, I didn't want to have to go into this in a Dune 2 thread, but since you've insisted on bringing this up, let me tell the folks here the whole story.

I bought Hive. I bought all of U-he's synth. Hive is my least favorite. I think it sounds thin and I think the FX are awful. Of course most synth FX aren't all that great but I digress.

I still made a library for the synth and on my sales page in the heading I think I used the words 150 sounds for the incredible Hive. Some people actually do think the synth is incredible.

From a business standpoint it makes no sense for me to say, "Oh, by the way, I think this synth sucks but I've made a library for it anyway." I make the best sales page I can to try to sell the library.

In the meantime, if the library itself sucks (easy to determine from the Soundcloud demo), nobody is going to buy it anyway.

Well, out of 54 libraries that I sell, Hive is the 31st best seller. Not great. But not the worst. Quite a few people actually liked my sounds, sounds that I put a lot of work into making regardless of my feelings about the limitations of the synth.

News flash folks. Not every developer who makes a library for a synth thinks every synth they program for is perfect. They may have quite a few problems with the synth. I've made no secret of the problems I have with Softube Modular, which is my 2nd best selling synth. I think Softube really dropped the ball on this one with no browser and very poor CPU optimization. But I still did the best I could with the patches I made and as a result, it's my 2nd best seller.

You can have problems with a synth and still make a library to the best of your ability and sell that library on the quality of the library itself. My personal feelings about a synth don't have to be made an issue when selling sounds. The sounds will sell or not sell themselves.

But by all means, you can go on believing that every developer out there who designs a library for a synth thinks that synth is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

If you believe that, you really are naive.

[Aliens]

Nope, it's much simpler than that. Try again. A clue is the blatant misrepresentation. It can't be incredible and thin, lifeless and abysmal all at the same time.
In fact, don't on my account, my opinion of you is firmly set no amount of spin will change that.
Over and out.

Your website says it is incredible..

To me, Hive sounds thin and lifeless. And the FX are, IMO, abysmal. They are, without a doubt, the cheapest sounding worst FX I have heard on a synth since FM8. And even its FX sound better. You have to literally take almost every effect in Hive and plaster it onto a patch to make it sound good.

[wagtunes]

Nope, it's much simpler than that. Try again.

Your website says it is incredible..

To me, Hive sounds thin and lifeless. And the FX are, IMO, abysmal. They are, without a doubt, the cheapest sounding worst FX I have heard on a synth since FM8. And even its FX sound better. You have to literally take almost every effect in Hive and plaster it onto a patch to make it sound good.

I think I explained my position quite well. My personal feelings about a synth have nothing to do with the work I put into designing a library for that synth. If people didn't like the sounds they heard on the demo, they wouldn't have bought it. Period.

So I'm not exactly sure what your issue is. That I'm not allowed to make a library for a synth if I don't love the synth? That if I don't love a synth I'm supposed to put "I think this synth sucks" on my sales page?

What exactly is your problem?

[wagtunes]

Okay, let's just get all the facts out in the open.

The red letter headline under the graphic reads...

150 Brand New Sounds For The Incredible Hive

That is not a personal testimony from me saying that I think Hive is incredible. It's just a description of the synth that, hopefully, those coming to the page agree with. Otherwise, why even bother looking for a library for a synth they don't love?

Second, under it is a link to my Soundcloud demo. Here they can determine whether or not they think the sounds are any good. That's the only thing that matters as far as whether or not the library sells, the quality of the library itself.

Now, if I made a demo that had OTHER sounds not in the library, that's fraud. I don't do that stuff. Obviously, if you listen to the demo it's all me. My programming technique is very obvious. What you hear is what's in the library. And I don't even use external FX. Just compression and limiting to even out levels and prevent clipping, which is why a lot of my demos don't sound all that great.

Okay, that's it. Nobody's twisting anybody's arm to buy this library. If they like the sounds, they buy. If they don't, they don't. My personal feelings about anything are irrelevant.

In fact, if you come to this forum, you will find my brutally honest feelings about every synth I own. I hold nothing back.

This line..

150 Brand New Sounds For The Incredible Hive

Have nothing to do with MY feelings. It's just a sales line. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now, if you want to make an issue out of it, be my guest. Start a blog and tell people I make libraries for synths I don't love. Nobody is going to care. The only thing they're going to care about is whether or not the library is any good.

While not my best seller, plenty of people obviously thought it was good, more so than a lot of synths that I love a lot more.

And with that, I am done with this back and forth with you because what you think of me as a businessman doesn't matter. I will ALWAYS tell you EXACTLY what I think of a synth if you ask me.

[Teksonik]

Not to diss Dune, which I rather like, but I think an honest appraisal of its use in actual songs (not synth demo tracks) will reveal that most of the time only a single layer is used, with multiple layers being used rarely (and at that, rarely more than 2).

Speak for yourself. Most of the DUNE 2 patches I use have more than four layers. You guys have such a simplistic view of synthesis especially the "adults" among you.......

This thread is about Dune2 and not about your sound libraries and does someone likes them or not.
Reported for spam.

You haven't been here long enough to report anyone for anything. Sit down and shut up.

[Aliens]

On reading back that alternative to Hive thread, I see that Hink wrote a 'leave it alone' comment.
All's said that needs saying about Wagtune's unreliable/questionable product views, so probably a good time to do just that.

[wagtunes]

On reading back that alternative to Hive thread, I see that Hink wrote a 'leave it alone' comment.
All's said that needs saying about Wagtune's unreliable/questionable product views, so probably a good time to do just that.

Oh what, you want to start a train wreck just to trash me and then you're gonna pull the Hink card? Screw that!

How are my product reviews questionable and unreliable? My sales page is not a product review. it's just a library sales page. My product reviews are honest. You may not agree with my assessment about Hive or any other synth but I don't praise synths just to build them up to sell libraries. In fact, if you go through this forum, you will find that most of my product comments are complaints. So if anything, given I'm not a fanboi of all these developers, you'd think you can trust my review rather than suspect it.

So your logic makes absolutely no sense if you're basing this off a sales page selling a sound library.

[Aliens]

Really? It's got nothing to do with what you love or being a fanboi. If you call something excellent when you really think it's thin, weedy and abysmal, then whether for marketing or in fact particularly for marketing, then you opinions are untrustworthy and unreliable. What's so hard to accept about that?

If you want people to take you at your word, then don't tell lies, or at least don't get caught telling them. It's that simple.

Like me, people here will have to make up their own minds about your perceived lack of ethics and merit of your words.
Now you'll be arguing with yourself from now on, I said I was done, so good luck with that.

[wagtunes]

Really? It's got nothing to do with what you love or being a fanboi. If you call something excellent when you really think it's thin, weedy and abysmal, then whether for marketing or in fact particularly for marketing, then you opinions are untrustworthy and unreliable. What's so hard to accept about that?

If you want people to take you at your word, then don't tell lies, or at least don't get caught telling them. It's that simple.

Like me, people here will have to make up their own minds about your perceived lack of ethics.
You'll be arguing with yourself from now on, so good luck with that.

I've told no lies.

150 Brand New Sounds For The Incredible Hive

Is Hive incredible in some people's eyes? From what I've read, yeah, pretty much. Again, my feelings are irrelevant to selling a sound library.

The thing is, you're trying to hold me to standards that nobody in the business world adheres to. Because if you think that everything that gets sold by sound developers is for synths that they have absolutely no problems with, you're dreaming.

But hell, believe what you want. It really doesn't matter to me given I'm sure you've never purchased one of my libraries anyway.

Like I said, start a blog. But be careful what you say because you could be leaving yourself open to a libel suit.