Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[Ingonator]

I created screenshots of teh 7 waveforms and 2 Noise shapes

Why?

Because he can. Why not?

Obviously there are differnces between both models, epsecially in the Square and Pulse waveforms. In most cases the differences are also audible (also depening on the filter settings).

I alraedy had a few of my own patches where i preferred using the older model compared to the newer one due to the resulting sound.

The differcnes could get even bigger if one of the waveforms is used for e.g. filter modulation.

[Yorrrrrr]

I have the early model (I prefer its sound), and the 'ramp-down' sawtooth selected by default in my own init patch (note that, in the hardware minimoog the sawtooths are inverted, as the drawing in it doesn't match what an oscilloscope shows, so the default in the hardware is a 'ramp-down' AFAIK; please correct me if I am wrong)

[AnX]

I created screenshots of teh 7 waveforms and 2 Noise shapes

Why?

Because he can. Why not?

Well, there must have been a reason... but he didnt say what it was.

[Ingonator]

I have the early model (I prefer its sound), and the 'ramp-down' sawtooth selected in my own init patch (note that, in the hardware minimoog the sawtooths are inverted, as the drawing in it doesn't match what an oscilloscope shows, so the default in the hardware is a 'ramp-down' AFAIK; please correct me if I am wrong)

I do not remember exactly now but i guess Richard alraedy corrected this with the waveforms in The Legend.

The "Ramp Down" in the oscillospcope pictures posted above also corresponds to a Ramp down in the waveform selection.

[Ingonator]

For the records:
I see that both AnX and fluffy little something still seem to respond to my posts here. I had added both to the ignore list a while ago so i do not see their posts unless someone quotes those or if i click on the button to dispaly the posts.

Seriously, i am no longer interested in opinions concerning my posts in this thread from those two members.

[AnX]

For the records:
I see that both AnX and fluffy little something still seem to respond to my posts here. I had added both to the ignore list a while ago so i do not see their posts unless someone quotes those or if i click on the button to dispaly the posts.

Thanks for the info....

[fluffy_little_something]

For the records:
I see that both AnX and fluffy little something still seem to respond to my posts here. I had added both to the ignore list a while ago so i do not see their posts unless someone quotes those or if i click on the button to dispaly the posts.

Seriously, i am no longer interested in opinions concerning my posts in this thread from those two members.

Unlike you, I am not a childish prima donna that puts people on ignore lists just because I don't like some of their posts. I will continue to post on anything of interest, even if it comes from you

[AnX]

I have the early model (I prefer its sound), and the 'ramp-down' sawtooth selected by default in my own init patch (note that, in the hardware minimoog the sawtooths are inverted, as the drawing in it doesn't match what an oscilloscope shows, so the default in the hardware is a 'ramp-down' AFAIK; please correct me if I am wrong)

Synapse said this...

All 3 oscillators have both Ramp Up/Down waveforms. Makes it more consistent and besides, the Minimoog Model D waveform drawings are upside down

[ENV1]

Two Observations:

- Im not sure VCO3 is supposed to modulate itself. Arturias minimoog does that too up to v1.6, but it was changed in V2 so that VCO3 would be excluded when Oscillator Modulation is enabled. If they did that because thats how it is on a real Model D then it would need to be changed here too.

- The Decay and Release knobs could use a link option so you can operate the EGs more like the real ones. (Or better still, an option to switch between the original 3-knob ADS configuration and the 4-knob ADSR configuration. That way the user could use whatever they prefer.)

[Ingonator]

- The Decay and Release knobs could use a link option so you can operate the EGs more like the real ones. (Or better still, an option to switch between the original 3-knob ADS configuration and the 4-knob ADSR configuration. That way the user could use whatever they prefer.)

I do not see a problem in setting the Release either to 0 or the same as the Decay value.

If you do your own sounds from scratch it is better anyway to do such settings "by ear".

For me the ADS envelopes were one thing i did not really like about the original Minimoog when i had one long time ago and was very happy that there are full ADSRs in The Legend.

Diva also does not offer full ADSR for the Minimoog envelopes, just ADSRs from the Jupiter 8. Arturia Mini V has ADS (+ Release = Decay) too. Monark has only ADS too.

This is one of the features where it really makes sense to go beyond the original feature set IMO.

[Ingonator]

Two Observations:

- Im not sure VCO3 is supposed to modulate itself. Arturias minimoog does that too up to v1.6, but it was changed in V2 so that VCO3 would be excluded when Oscillator Modulation is enabled. If they did that because thats how it is on a real Model D then it would need to be changed here too.

I do not really see that Osc 3 is doing FM with itself. I tested that with switching Osc 1+2 off and adding Osc modulation. Osc 3 only seems to be capable to do FM with Osc 1+2 and the filter Cutoff.

What is also possible is to use the Noise as a mod source ("Mod Mix" knob) and that indeed could also work on Osc 3. Maybe this is what you found?

If you mix Osc 3 and Noise as a mod surce you could modulate Osc 3 with the Noise and the output of Osc 3 could modulate Osc 1+2 (and/or the filter).

[Yorrrrrr]

ADS is an unnecesary limitation. No need to be that extremely faithful to the original. There are things where it makes sense to go beyond. If someone doesn't like the full ADSR, well, just don't touch the release knobs, or match manually the decay and release values in like.. two clicks?. Though I wouldn't mind a little switch to link both, or better yet, a modifier key (so the GUI doesn't have to be changed) to match the movement of both knobs.

[Chris-S]

I guesd with key track on/off you mean either 100% (= both switches on) or 0% (= both switches off)?

I tested with the second kt switch (66%).

[ENV1]

I do not see a problem in setting the Release either to 0 or the same as the Decay value.

Well i do because it has the potential to get on your nerves when you expect the result that you get with the original EGs and you constantly have to match the Release knob to the Decay knob in order to get that expected result. If its no problem for you, fine. The 4-knob configuration will still be there.

I do not really see that Osc 3 is doing FM with itself.

Try listening then.

I wouldnt say that it modulates itself if it wasnt really the case.

[Ingonator]

I guesd with key track on/off you mean either 100% (= both switches on) or 0% (= both switches off)?

I tested with the second kt switch (66%).

What exactly was your reason to use only 66% instead of 100% (= both switches) for testing the key tracking?

Anyway i still could not confirm your "test" with THe Legend, aso with 66%. So far i do not find a note where the key tracking has no influence.

Anyway while my description of the filter self-oscillation is different to your test that one could be easily replicated here. In Monark there is no frequency calibration of the Cutoff knob to do a similar test there.
I changed the knob to display teh value but still it is just a value from 0 to 100 and not in Hz/kHz.