Amplitube 2's Hi-Gain sounds..

[slh]

here's another AT2 example using presets...

http://members.iinet.com.au/~wlh/sh/GF2.mp3

That is shite tone.

Yeah....I know. But I couldn't retain the original tone in the conversion to mp3 format. And here's something someone may be able to help us out with...

The tone of the original version is better than the tone of the bounced-to-mp3 version. What can I do to avoid this loss of quality in the conversion process? The original version sounds much like the mp3 version played through Windows Media with the Windows Media EQ on the "Grunge" preset. I've tried mucking around with the EQ of the original to the point where it is starting to sound "tinny" but it doesn't seem to flow on down to the mp3 version (I'm using Protools 7)

The AT2 presets used in this recording, by the way, are:

Rythm gtr: Styles>HeavyMetal>StereoHeavy2
Bass: CompleteRigs>Bass>BassFuzz

And finally...thanks for listening!

[Melodioso]

what do the high gain experts think about this tone (guitar, drums & bass):

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=295L ... CN5X3Z4EDF

or

http://www.filegone.com/4kl7

Hi-gain enough Sounds like a sim

[slh]

what do the high gain experts think about this tone (guitar, drums & bass):

Not including myself in the "hi-gain experts" category - but as someone who knows what he likes to listen to....I like it.

[Cosmic Bandito]

Melodioso,
I think your clip is a real amp. It sounds beefy and 3 dimentional. Maybe a Marshall?

[Killvehicle]

what do the high gain experts think about this tone (guitar, drums & bass):

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=295L ... CN5X3Z4EDF

or

http://www.filegone.com/4kl7

Hi-gain enough Sounds like a sim

Well here is my 4 cents.. I think probably a lot of people might find that appealing.. It doesnt have enough character for me, it is pretty bland and standard, whcih is why I say people probably will dig it. I would think it was an amp sim, but with that being said it doesnt necessarily sound like one. BUt I was listening thru small monitors. IT kind of reminds of this new NIckelback song I heard the other day,, I dont know the name but it is the WORST, most processed sounding guitars I ever heard, There sound in general is so plastic and generic but man these guitars made me want to crap.. It has to be the most mainstream, commercial, corporate sound I have ever heard.. AWEFUL!!!

BUty in all fairness melidioso I think yours sounds BETTER than that, but it did remind me of it...

[slh]

what do the high gain experts think about this tone (guitar, drums & bass):

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=295L ... CN5X3Z4EDF

or

http://www.filegone.com/4kl7

Hi-gain enough Sounds like a sim

I think probably a lot of people might find that appealing.. It doesnt have enough character for me, it is pretty bland and standard, whcih is why I say people probably will dig it.
<snip>
It has to be the most mainstream, commercial, corporate sound I have ever heard.. AWEFUL!!!

Hmmm, sounds like we aint gonna get rich taking your advice...

(ease up - it was just a joke )

[Sascha Franck]

I found that one to sound quite well, Melodioso.

But what I'd really love to hear is something along:

a) the AC/DC lines - I allways just loved their fat rhythm sounds.

b) the Foo Fighters lines. Those for me have established some of the best modern, yet not NuMetal high gain sounds. I couldn't think of much better sounds than on "The Colour And The Shape". Just listen to "Monkey Wrench" and "February Stars" (the latter IMO being one of the most beautyful songs ever). Heck, listen to the whole album while you're at it!
But then, I guess a lot of the guitar sound is just making it because drums and bass are done exceptionally great as well.

[Killvehicle]

what do the high gain experts think about this tone (guitar, drums & bass):

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=295L ... CN5X3Z4EDF

or

http://www.filegone.com/4kl7

Hi-gain enough Sounds like a sim

I think probably a lot of people might find that appealing.. It doesnt have enough character for me, it is pretty bland and standard, whcih is why I say people probably will dig it.
<snip>
It has to be the most mainstream, commercial, corporate sound I have ever heard.. AWEFUL!!!

Hmmm, sounds like we aint gonna get rich taking your advice...

(ease up - it was just a joke )

NO I anint gonna ease up!!! First off, why you tell me to ease up before I ever respond is strange.. It s funny you think I care about forums and shit,, but you did try to take words out of context but thats fine too, it was hilarious!! And you would probably get rich taking my advice because I bet you more than the majority of people here would agree everything sounds the same and its time we get back to some originality in recording.

[Hink]

I bet you more than the majority of people here would agree everything sounds the same and its time we get back to some originality in recording.

[Killvehicle]

I bet you more than the majority of people here would agree everything sounds the same and its time we get back to some originality in recording.

The best part of that is I wrote that just for that kind of reaction!! The fact that you were the first one to respond doesnt surprise me at all..

BUt in all seriousness I have been saying that for years, I never understood how a guitar player or anyone, wants to have some patches for their software so they can sound exactly like the next guy. The point is we all can use the same thning and sound different,
Awhile back before I got kicked off Cubase forums I brought up something similar on how it seems everyone is using the same samples and same guitar sound, and many of them had a similar response to HINK, which isnt very ironic, becasue he acts like those over-the-hill never made shit musicians on that forum, hell you were probably on there as well. MOst of them said "its the music that counts not how it sounds" and that couldnt be farther from the truth..

[Hink]

I bet you more than the majority of people here would agree everything sounds the same and its time we get back to some originality in recording.

The best part of that is I wrote that just for that kind of reaction!! The fact that you were the first one to respond doesnt surprise me at all..

BUt in all seriousness I have been saying that for years, I never understood how a guitar player or anyone, wants to have some patches for their software so they can sound exactly like the next guy. The point is we all can use the same thning and sound different,
Awhile back before I got kicked off Cubase forums I brought up something similar on how it seems everyone is using the same samples and same guitar sound, and many of them had a similar response to HINK, which isnt very ironic, becasue he acts like those over-the-hill never made shit musicians on that forum, hell you were probably on there as well. MOst of them said "its the music that counts not how it sounds" and that couldnt be farther from the truth..

1. I am not a cubase user
2. Over the hill is a lame attempt at an attack. Yeah I'm sure all the more mature people could be wrong and you could be right, but it's unlikely. As for over the hill...didn't you say in order to impress me with your vast knowledge that you had been playing over 20 years. So age is good when it makes your point, but then you turn it around when someone disagrees with you and call them over the hill?...a bit of a hypocrite there my friend.
3. I really think it's quite presumptuous of you to say what "more than the majority" think. Who are you to tell us how we interpret music?
4. If you think all music sounds the same and there is nothing original anymore than that is more your problem than anyone else here. I mean maybe you should buy the CHRYSALID CD to see just how wrong you are. In fact KVR is very eclectic IMHO, as this new world is still opening with technology and blends between live music and electronic it seems to me that will be a trend for years to hear very unique and original things.
5. You make some lame comment on me being on a soapbox about dynamics yesterday and then come back with

BUt in all seriousness I have been saying that for years, I never understood how a guitar player or anyone, wants to have some patches for their software so they can sound exactly like the next guy.

Again just a tad of a hypocritical?

6. I click on your soundclick link and what do I hear?...two songs (that are not my genre, but certainly are not bad examples of the genre) that sound exactly alike, and not all that original. So who are you to talk?

7. I have never said it's only the music that counts not the sound...nor would I. You see music has been there for me most of life. It isn't about "the music"...it's about artistic expression. I choose to express myself musically, it's about what the expression does for me that really counts. When I finish a song (and I have said this many times) it has already done for me what I asked of it during the creation process, anything else is frosting on the cake. Whether you think I have made anything worthwhile or not really doesn't matter at all because it was worthwhile for me.

Now you come back and yell at me and call me names, tell me my music is crap and I don't know a thing and all will be well...what a surprise that you've been thrown off of a different forum. I'd mute you but you're too damn amusing.

FWIW I can tell from your typos and your reaction (not too mention the blatant inconsistencies in your posts) that you have shown to all quite clearly how to push your buttons. I know you wont take this as friendly advice, but maybe you should...you ever think about shutting your mouth and opening your ears a little more often? I know every time I remind myself to (which I admit is fairly often) I learn something new...or do you know it all? Because I sure don't, and I hope I never do, learning is the greatest gift in the world and as long as I'm learning, I'm living life to the fullest...

you can thank me for all the page hits you get from this later...lol

[metalifuxx]

http://www.filegone.com/ywep
High Gain Chuggah Chuggah metal with palm muting and nice harmonics- not amplitube, but a combination of different hardware/software. IF Amplitube 2 can't do this kind of metal/high gain sound, I'm sticking with hardware (and it's cheap hardware too, less than amplitube 2 costs). Mixed with Sennheiser HD280 headphones, don't have space or money for monitors right now. What do you metal/high gain experts think?

[Hink]

http://www.filegone.com/ywep
High Gain Chuggah Chuggah metal with palm muting and nice harmonics- not amplitube, but a combination of different hardware/software. IF Amplitube 2 can't do this kind of metal/high gain sound, I'm sticking with hardware (and it's cheap hardware too, less than amplitube 2 costs). Mixed with Sennheiser HD280 headphones, don't have space or money for monitors right now. What do you metal/high gain experts think?

first I'm not a high gain expert, I'm just good at getting the sound I like...however that sounded very good, I think it lacks a little sustain fot my taste, which is evident in that last harmonic...usually I do natural harmonics just for whammy effects, so I would want more note to hang onto and play with (pinch harmonics are good for bending, finger vibrato and some real cool whammy effects too and popping harmonics is a cool distraction or bridge)...but that's just me...

[metalifuxx]

yeah, I did the harmonics just to show the tone and response of the signal chain, which I'll go through:
'93 Gibson Les Paul standard (with the older humbuckers, not the newer burstbuckers) first into the Behringer Tube ultra gain Mic200 (1st guitar preamp type, with the input tube gain set to little less than halfway, and -20bdb pad on ), into Boss SD-1 pedal (tone all up, Gain about 4o'clock), into old Zoom 1010 processor (using only the metal distortion type without cab sim (wasn't really designed for amp modeling back in 1996,but those were early attempts)with flat EQ since you couldn't turn it off), then into the M-Audio mobile Pre. I used Guitar Rig 2 for the cabinet modeling, using the gratifier cabs and condeser mics preset tweaked, some parallel compression(50dry/50wet), EQ to taste and mix well with the drums, then a little BBE Sonic Maximizer. Ahh yes, and the pick is a small red dunlop jazz thumb pick, John Petrucci I guess uses these, and they offer great dynamic control, and give a thicker rich sound than the normal sized thin/medium picks. I keep a stack of different kinds of picks of different thickness and size on my desk to get different tones and responses according to what I'm playin and playing into. The pick can make all the difference sometimes.

The Zoom's built-in compression is crappy so I opted not to use it for extra sustain. Ran out of cables so I couldn't attatch the Boss compressor/sustain pedal early in the chain.

I was trying to emulate the gain staging and the response you'd get from a real amp head, using the Behringer Tube gain first in the chain.

I will get some of my real songs up when I setup a soundclick account, and put finishing touches on them when I can mix better on my friends monitors. More of a prog rock/metal type sound akin to Porcupine Tree , not chuggah. This was just an example to see if I could get metal without mic+amp.

Would love to see what my Soldano goin through my friend's hughes N kettner DI-red box with gt rig2 cabinets sounds like. Anyone try anything like that yet?

[Killvehicle]

to hink:man I wanted to not respond but basically you are a coward, YOu respond so brilliantly you think but its not,, So many times I see ytou write something then act like you didnt when you defend your posts. Often times your just being a smart ass which is fine but then you act like your not,

And as far as whatr I was saying in originality, I was talking about the recording process whcih I laid out pretty clearly, Im not talking about styles of music and IM not saying IM the most original f**ker around, and that wasnt my point, my point was the "sound" of the music, the production has turned into "hey listen to his sound, give me that patch opr that snare sounds kick ass, let me use that sample" Thats what has become lame. At least in rock oriented music(guitars bass, drums etc.) I thought I wrote better music on my recent demo, but in reality I liked my first shittier sounding demo better, becasue it had a certain vibe in the sound,, I didnt know much about recording then but it has a lot personality in the sound, if not the music, which is why I still get orders for that demo today, and its 4 years old. Its made a some rounds in the underground, and thats what I was referring too..

, and IM only 28, so as far as being hypocritical on age, not quite yet I dont think,

YOu seem like the guy who has played live maybe a handful of times, if that many, and never went out and tried to accomplish anything, you always thought the music would come to you, and now you are on this forum often talking arrogant shit (at least I interpret your writing as such)and then backing off and trying to turn it around on others, At least i Have seen it a few times, oh and my typos!! hah who gives a f**k , I type fast and not very well, I aint going back to correct,, look at the majority of my posts they have poor typoing, ,it isnt becasue you "pushed: my buttons..