Well in response jondale, I was simply just trying to add a bit of nonsense levity to the situation. I'm sorry if I had offended you. I admit I am not a huge gear head, but am into mostly software, and I am not a trained audio engineer. I bought things that I could get my hands on, and my hardware list hasn't been updated. I'm running my presonus firepod and mackie tracktion... I can get decent sounds out, but what you're saying to me is that I'm inadequate. Maybe so, but I'm happy. Sorry if I offended you in any way.
Take care.
RonC
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 12 May, 2007 from Saint Cloud, MN
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First let me say HELLO!I thought I would make a post here to help people better understand what SAWStudio is all about. Please understand I am not posting to make SAW out to be a better DAW then the others.
I have read all the posts on this thread and I will try to shed some truth about SAW.
A lot of people think SAW's GUI looks bad. Well there are tons of shades that you can download for free and you can make your own shade if you like. Check out my shades page. http://www.thessvideos.com/skins.htm (http://www.thessvideos.com/skins.htm) and see them for yourself.
A lot of people think SAW is hard to learn. Well in a way it might be but why? Well …. SAW is made to be run by keyboard entries and keyboard/mouse combos and it does not have lots of menus.
Most DAW's have lots of menus and also have the keyboard short cuts and also allow you to set up you're own short cuts. This means there must be lots of code. In SAW the developer did everything he could to make the code small and fast. The .exe file in SAW is 4ish MB's big. Just know that once you learn the SAW way you will find it to be very easy and fast to run.. Its set up to be as transparent as it can be so you keep your mind on the music. Check out the mixer in action… click the link and scroll down to the Flash Demo. http://www.thessvideos.com/ (http://www.thessvideos.com/)
A lot of people do not understand that SAW is a real live mixer that is run in the virtual world with just a mouse and keyboard. Sure there are lots of DAWs that have mixers but I know of none that can be used LIVE to mix a band to PA and use all the EQ's / Comps / Gates and plug-ins in real time all on a notebook and also record it all without any problems on a PC. Its all about the code which is written in Assembly Language by a recording engineer… all of it by just one man. One real cool thing I like to do is fire up the mixer, plug in my guitar and add a little comp, eq and reverb and play it just like hooking up to a hardware mixer.. You can do that in SAWStudio, you can even hook in some VST's and play them in real time and record.
Check out a CD that Bob recorded live in Vegas … you had better sit down for this. Bob took the signal from the stage mics using mic splitters then he ran the signal into four ADA8000,s then into SAWStudio…. that's right ADA8000,s were the mic pres. It gets better, he used Sony MDR V6 headphones to monitor, mix and master the whole CD all in SAWStudio. Check it out. http://www.lonbronson.com/ (http://www.lonbronson.com/)
If you would like to learn more about Bob Lentini "the man that made SAWStudio" click on the link http://www.rmllabs.com/Biography.htm (http://www.rmllabs.com/Biography.htm)
A lot of people think the midi program is lacking features. While this is true when you compare SAW to Cubase, Sonar ..ect Midi WorkShop is not meant to do all of those things. It is meant to record, edit and convert midi to audio and it does it very well. Midi WorkShop is a separate program that runs along with SAW and it is locked to the multitrack in SAWStudio. You can use all the VST's and Soft Synths in Midi WorkShop or SAWStudio. Its very cool how the key commands in SAWStudio for editing work for the most part the same way in MWS so you just fly around editing fast in both programs.
A lot of people think SAWStudio cost a lot of money. There are 3 different versions. $300 / $1200 & $2500. People can buy from a V.I.P and save $300 off of SAW Lite & $500 off of SAW Full. People can also buy Lite and Full using the GFA = Good Faith Agreement. All you do is download the app, fill it out, fax it in and then download. You pay a minimum $100 a month or what ever you want and this is all done on honesty… there is no credit check. How cool is that? You can read more about it by clicking the link http://www.sawstudio.com/gfa.htm (http://www.sawstudio.com/gfa.htm)
Ok I thank you for your time and hopefully this will help people understand more about SAWStudio & Midi WorkShop. Please understand this post is meant to tell truths about SAW and not meant to put SAW above any DAW's or say it is better then other DAW's.
If you would like to learn more about SAW check out the forum http://www.sawstudiouser.com/forums/index.php? (http://www.sawstudiouser.com/forums/index.php?) … people are real cool there and very helpful and coolest of all is you can chat with Bob the man who coded the program.
One last thing Bob only charges $100 for huge updates. I think he put out over 20 updates for free before he put out the 4.0 update which cost only $100.
Peace everyone!
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- KVRAF
- 11381 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Truth eh? Is there such a thing?MediaSVI wrote:First let me say HELLO!
I thought I would make a post here to help people better understand what SAWStudio is all about. Please understand I am not posting to make SAW out to be a better DAW then the others.
I have read all the posts on this thread and I will try to shed some truth about SAW.
Link seems to be down. Anyhow, just changing the skins doesn't improve on the basic layout which is a huge part of the GUI. IMHO the layout is sub-par in SAW and really goes against a logical workflow. It's just so damn 90's, that is, outdated.A lot of people think SAW's GUI looks bad. Well there are tons of shades that you can download for free and you can make your own shade if you like. Check out my shades page. http://www.thessvideos.com/skins.htm and see them for yourself.
Most other DAWs have full support for using only keyboard to run the program. This is no excuse to have an unclear and convoluted GUI/workflow (it might be hard for veteran SAW users to understand this but this is just because you have not the ability to see SAW with fresh eyes. You are so used to the workflow.) This is of course just a subjective opinion but I have a feeling it is a majority of people who feel like this.A lot of people think SAW is hard to learn. Well in a way it might be but why? Well …. SAW is made to be run by keyboard entries and keyboard/mouse combos and it does not have lots of menus.
What kind of silly logic is this?Most DAW's have lots of menus and also have the keyboard short cuts and also allow you to set up you're own short cuts. This means there must be lots of code.
This I fully agree with and it is a well come change when comparing the pretty bloated competition.. however, this again is not an excuse to make a convoluted, outdated interface. It's perfectly possible to have both.In SAW the developer did everything he could to make the code small and fast. The .exe file in SAW is 4ish MB's big. Just know that once you learn the SAW way you will find it to be very easy and fast to run..
.. again, It might be hard for the SAW veteran to understand just how incredibly convoluted the SAW approach is. IMHO something like Ableton Live is thousands of times more transparent and REALLY lets one keep the mind on the music. In SAW, I personally at least, usually end up going "What the f**k?? Why do I have to scroll this silly thing?" "Why isn't this now working?" etc..Its set up to be as transparent as it can be so you keep your mind on the music. Check out the mixer in action… click the link and scroll down to the Flash Demo. http://www.thessvideos.com/
Making software look and act like hardware is just plain stupid, IMHO of course!
Eh? This is PERFECTLY possible in: Ableton Live, FL Studio, Nuendo/Cubase, Samplitude, Logic Audio, EnergyXT.. I'm not sure about Sonar but I'm pretty sure it's possible there as well.A lot of people do not understand that SAW is a real live mixer that is run in the virtual world with just a mouse and keyboard. Sure there are lots of DAWs that have mixers but I know of none that can be used LIVE to mix a band to PA and use all the EQ's / Comps / Gates and plug-ins in real time all on a notebook and also record it all without any problems on a PC.
I have no idea how these weird "myths" about SAW having the only 'live' environment became so wide spread? Maybe this was the truth.. like in 1990?
In fact, as I recall, SAW was pretty late to the game when it came to ASIO drivers, which made a whole bunch of other software much better suited for sound going trough the mixer in a live scenario. With old M-audio and RME hardware it has been possible to run at 64 sample buffers which is perfectly fine for live use. This is MUCH faster than what was possible with the old MME interface that SAW used at the time they first started to market their 'live' approach. Or maybe I remember history a bit wrong? I'm not sure but anyhow I recall that SAW didn't get ASIO until a lot of users whined about it..
Also this myth about Assembly code being so superior is time to lay to rest.. we are in 2007 for heavens sake! The modern compilers are much improved now compared to the 90's ones. Even Aleksey Vaneev of Voxengo fame, who has been coding his plugins in assembler has said that there probably is no benefit, more on the contrary. However, I'm no expert on this subject so take it as such.. any coding guru here that can confirm or deny my feelings on this subject?Its all about the code which is written in Assembly Language by a recording engineer… all of it by just one man.
One real cool thing I like to do is fire up the mixer, plug in my guitar and add a little comp, eq and reverb and play it just like hooking up to a hardware mixer.. You can do that in SAWStudio, you can even hook in some VST's and play them in real time and record.
Again.. This is PERFECTLY possible in: Ableton Live, FL Studio, Nuendo/Cubase, Samplitude, Logic Audio, EnergyXT.. I'm not sure about Sonar but I'm pretty sure it's possible there as well.
Again.. This is PERFECTLY possible in: Ableton Live, FL Studio, Nuendo/Cubase, Samplitude, Logic Audio, EnergyXT.. I'm not sure about Sonar but I'm pretty sure it's possible there as well.Check out a CD that Bob recorded live in Vegas … you had better sit down for this. Bob took the signal from the stage mics using mic splitters then he ran the signal into four ADA8000,s then into SAWStudio…. that's right ADA8000,s were the mic pres. It gets better, he used Sony MDR V6 headphones to monitor, mix and master the whole CD all in SAWStudio. Check it out. http://www.lonbronson.com/
It's important to understand that it is not the software that makes the mix though you do need good quality compressors..
Yes, Bob is kind of a legend, in both the good and ugly..If you would like to learn more about Bob Lentini "the man that made SAWStudio" click on the link http://www.rmllabs.com/Biography.htm
IMHO having a separate 'midi workshop plugin' just to run very basic midi is simply ludicrous.. but hey, it's just me I guess.A lot of people think the midi program is lacking features. While this is true when you compare SAW to Cubase, Sonar ..ect Midi WorkShop is not meant to do all of those things. It is meant to record, edit and convert midi to audio and it does it very well. Midi WorkShop is a separate program that runs along with SAW and it is locked to the multitrack in SAWStudio. You can use all the VST's and Soft Synths in Midi WorkShop or SAWStudio. Its very cool how the key commands in SAWStudio for editing work for the most part the same way in MWS so you just fly around editing fast in both programs.
2500$ for the top version puts it against Nuendo with full RME hardware.. ouch. IMHO there is no competition there. RIP SAW..A lot of people think SAWStudio cost a lot of money. There are 3 different versions. $300 / $1200 & $2500. People can buy from a V.I.P and save $300 off of SAW Lite & $500 off of SAW Full. People can also buy Lite and Full using the GFA = Good Faith Agreement. All you do is download the app, fill it out, fax it in and then download. You pay a minimum $100 a month or what ever you want and this is all done on honesty… there is no credit check. How cool is that? You can read more about it by clicking the link http://www.sawstudio.com/gfa.htm
.. which is why I felt compelled to quote you and add the other side of the story..Ok I thank you for your time and hopefully this will help people understand more about SAWStudio & Midi WorkShop. Please understand this post is meant to tell truths about SAW and not meant to put SAW above any DAW's or say it is better then other DAW's.
Don't get me wrong, I think SAW is perfectly capable of excellent results, it's just that there are so damn many myths and simple non-sense going around when comparing SAW to other software. I completely agree that the original SAW (not studio) was innovative and original but this was more than 10 years ago!! And yet the same 'myths', of why SAW is a viable choice compared to the competition, go around. The marketing blurb on SAW borders on the ridiculous which is a shame as it shouldn't have to. SAW would be much better marketed by simply relying on it's own style of work flow and give a more realistic picture of what is unique about the software and what is not.
Cheers!
bManic
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