Follower or Leader?

[robogone]

Enough word games...

Problem is, if you took word games away from him he'd have nothing to say at all.

[eduardo_b]

What might self-pwning be?

Sorry, thought you knew everything (or at least that's the attitude you project in your posts).

So you're providing commentrary, find this all a waste of time, but you stick around anyway?

[scavenger8]

Check Mate Semen Detection Kit

[Hink]

The Forest is thataway
The funny thing is as a kid you allways thought gilligan was a follower.
Then you growed up and find out you never really know.But bob denver was a smart dude.but he got busted with weeeed.

no, no, no when I grew up (and gilligan was still in black and white) I always knew gilligan was the leader. He gave birth to passive aggressive behavior, he controlled the destiny of 6 other people and 5 of them were complete strangers (no doubt hand picked). It was he that controlled everything on the island, he allowed the others to believe that he was the weak link. A skipper, a scientist, a rich couple, a movie star and the little innocent hottie on the side. All in the palms of his hands, he kept them there on the island because no where else could he have total domination and manipulation of all those powers.

He had modern comforts, a mother figure, two women doing his laundry which means seeing how that most of them only had one outfit they spent a lot of time naked. Who do you think Ginger and Mary Ann were checking out of the four men, the young mr gilligan. He was shear genius, a leader of leaders (again a leader on the sea, a leader in thinking, a financial leader, the leading hottie of hollywood and little miss innocent).

What we didn't see is what they grew on the other side of that island, surely the professor fed his head too...Gilligan an american hero, a man with tremendous vision and power most of us will never know.

[eduardo_b]

Now, instead of talking in circles some more, why not answer Shamman's question? You can't. You've already admitted basing what you're saying around what I'm saying by your response to him. Enough word games...

Yes, you caught me. I am responding to your reply.

Are you going to speak for all those who spend time in what you refer to as experimental music. Is everyone really a talented musician who simply chooses to avoid three-chord pop, or is this really about you?

I have no issue with people who choose where to use their skills and potential talent. But, do some or even many who do so using virtual tools freely choose this area, which is far removed from every other genre? I can see where both could be true...not just one or the other.

These aren't word games. Experimental music may be where the greatest amount of originality is in music. But given its minute status in the world of music, it doesn't seem to have any impact. That's not a slam, that's a realistic observation. It's not an attack. It's not personal.

[Chuck E. Jesus]

virtual tool

indeed...

[Hink]

virtual tool

indeed...

[Cordelia]

Now, instead of talking in circles some more, why not answer Shamman's question? You can't. You've already admitted basing what you're saying around what I'm saying by your response to him. Enough word games...

Yes, you caught me. I am responding to your reply.

Are you going to speak for all those who spend time in what you refer to as experimental music. Is everyone really a talented musician who simply chooses to avoid three-chord pop, or is this really about you?

I have no issue with people who choose where to use their skills and potential talent. But, do some or even many who do so using virtual tools freely choose this area, which is far removed from every other genre? I can see where both could be true...not just one or the other.

These aren't word games. Experimental music may be where the greatest amount of originality is in music. But given its minute status in the world of music, it doesn't seem to have any impact. That's not a slam, that's a realistic observation. It's not an attack. It's not personal.

It doesn't have a sales impact, maybe. Who cares? But are we going to start discussing the enormous impact that "experimental" music has had on all other western music forms for centuries? Because it's huge and that will be a long thread.

[scavenger8]

Hink,
do you remember Maynard G. Krebs on the show "Dobie Gillis?
all he cared about was jazz records.nothing else.

[dirty oscillators]

What might self-pwning be?

Sorry, thought you knew everything (or at least that's the attitude you project in your posts).

So you're providing commentrary, find this all a waste of time, but you stick around anyway?

what are you doing??? countless posts of pointless dribble because you obviously just want to hear yourself talk and think you're much more important than you really are. you completely ignored my point ( few pages back) that still art cannot be compared to performance art. very convenient of you.

[dirty oscillators]

Now, instead of talking in circles some more, why not answer Shamman's question? You can't. You've already admitted basing what you're saying around what I'm saying by your response to him. Enough word games...

Yes, you caught me. I am responding to your reply.

Are you going to speak for all those who spend time in what you refer to as experimental music. Is everyone really a talented musician who simply chooses to avoid three-chord pop, or is this really about you?

I have no issue with people who choose where to use their skills and potential talent. But, do some or even many who do so using virtual tools freely choose this area, which is far removed from every other genre? I can see where both could be true...not just one or the other.

These aren't word games. Experimental music may be where the greatest amount of originality is in music. But given its minute status in the world of music, it doesn't seem to have any impact. That's not a slam, that's a realistic observation. It's not an attack. It's not personal.

i've already asked you for a link to your music which you have completely ignored. so does that leave you as a self proclaimed music critic? what are your credentials as someone who blatantly thinks that originality is over rated?

[Hink]

Now, instead of talking in circles some more, why not answer Shamman's question? You can't. You've already admitted basing what you're saying around what I'm saying by your response to him. Enough word games...

Yes, you caught me. I am responding to your reply.

Are you going to speak for all those who spend time in what you refer to as experimental music. Is everyone really a talented musician who simply chooses to avoid three-chord pop, or is this really about you?

I have no issue with people who choose where to use their skills and potential talent. But, do some or even many who do so using virtual tools freely choose this area, which is far removed from every other genre? I can see where both could be true...not just one or the other.

These aren't word games. Experimental music may be where the greatest amount of originality is in music. But given its minute status in the world of music, it doesn't seem to have any impact. That's not a slam, that's a realistic observation. It's not an attack. It's not personal.

It doesn't have a sales impact, maybe. Who cares? But are we going to start discussing the enormous impact that "experimental" music has had on all other western music forms for centuries? Because it's huge and that will be a long thread.

how about the impact music has on it's creator, focus on that for a second. An artist can use their art not only to express their emotions and feelings to the world but also as a way of releasing their own emotions and feelings without an audience. It's a great way to deal with repressed emotions and as a result can benefit many. For instance...

A person works on a song for hours and nails a part, said artist has worked themselves into an emotional nirvana. They get in their car basking in the after glow of such euphoria and head up the street. A car is trying to pull out of a parking lot and they are in such a good mood they stop and let him go. The other driver is thinking wow, what a nice guy and is happy and alert (we need more lerts). Suddenly a small child comes running out from behind a car but he has the time to stop. But had the artist not stopped to let the other driver out he surely would of run the kid down.

The kid grows up and along the way he befriends a lonely kid and helps him to come out of his shell and together they go on to medical school. The kid he befriended goes on to be a great surgeon who during his life he saves many lives. As a result he marries a wonderful woman and they have children of his own. His wife, kids and he go to the same place to eat weekly and befriend a lonely waitress with children and as the years go by she makes a lot of tips and is well respected because this prominent doctor always requests her. So she decides to go go out and get them a cat to show her appreciation.

However thay already a cat and it's the opposite sex (and not fixed) and soon they have a batch of kittens running around. So they donate some of the kittens to a local orphanage and one child becomes smitten with cats. That child grows up and unfortunately lives in a bad section of town, but this person has a lot of cats. The cats roam all over the neighborhood and one day just as a mugger is sneaking up on a man who was out to get some candy for his kids one of the cats walks by. The mugger is allergic to cats and he sneezes thwarting his plan to mug the man. The man returns home with the candy for his children. That father's day the kids are so proud of their dad they bake him a lopsided cake that falls to the floor. They all laugh and the dog comes along while they're laughing up a storm and eats all the cake.

Because of this one musician making music nobody will ever hear some lucky dog gets his cake and eats it too.

[thecontrolcentre]

[dirty oscillators]

@ eduardo b: regarding my last few posts: please do not reply back twisting my words around and try to make me out as if i'm sounding negative or just trying to troll you. i'm not. the whole point of all this is because you stated "originality is over rated". personally i would have been fine if you said "originality is difficult to obtain but is something an artist should strive for." but what you said implies that we should throw away our integrity and settle for less, which is BULLSHIT. all my life i've wanted to be different or unique or even someone who strives to be original, and when i hear someone that says something like you did, i take a personal offense to it.

[debra1rlo]