Tone2 ElectraX is available!

[contrary]

LEAVE MARKUS ALONE !!!

[audio_dude]

Gentlemen, would it be possible to stay focused on the main subject of this thread: ElectraX, actually.

Thanks

[contrary]

Gentlemen, would it be possible to stay focused on the main subject of this thread: ElectraX, actually.

Thanks

ElectraX?? WTF is that ???
And who are you calling a gentleman ?????








We only want to by softwares from folks who we know are not meanies!!!

[MaxSynths]

Wow now I understand their decision to leave KVR... wise choice ever.
I think I'll do the same very soon.

This place is slowly dying because of ignorance and useless trolling. The total lack of interest or competence for music and synthesizers is killing these forums, really. What a shame!

[pdxindy]

Wow now I understand their decision to leave KVR... wise choice ever.
I think I'll do the same very soon.

This place is slowly dying because of ignorance and useless trolling. The total lack of interest or competence for music and synthesizers is killing these forums, really. What a shame!

I find KVR useful and enjoyable... you just gotta accept some noise and not worry much about the opinions of others.

[sopor79]

@maxSynths..I also think so....

I also have the "keyfile-problem". Yesterday I bought the synth- till now no keyfile. ShareIt is not really helpful...
But this is no reason for me for such hate and bad words...verry negative atmosphere here...

[ariston]

Wow now I understand their decision to leave KVR... wise choice ever.
I think I'll do the same very soon.

This place is slowly dying because of ignorance and useless trolling. The total lack of interest or competence for music and synthesizers is killing these forums, really. What a shame!

I see your point. What I see here, though, is a lot of give-and-take, with people blowing off steam, making mistakes, engaging in sometimes pointless but frequently fun discussions... to me, KVR is a wonderful source of information and a plethora of interesting points of view. It helps a lot if you don't take yourself too seriously - which also means not entering the ring every time a provocative statement is tossed around carelessly. From what I've seen in my time here, Tone2 and Markus in particular have been overly sensitive. The best way to ignore people who are flame-baiting is to IGNORE them, instead of replying to them or storming off in a petulant frenzy (FZ).
In the spirit of true democracy, I also think it's interesting and informative to read about bad experiences people have had with a company. It will factor into my decision regarding the purchase of a product, certainly, but it won't make my decision for me. It's just one consideration among many. I own a couple of Tone2 products, and I'm pleased with them. Interesting, though, that you never read anything of this sort regarding U-He.

More on topic: The demo of ElectraX convinced me of two things: it's not "Gladiator 3", and it's a very powerful and versatile synth that I have no use for right now because of my more-than-ample synth portfolio. I certainly wish them the best of luck, though, cause it's obvious that a lot of work and care went into this synth.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Wow now I understand their decision to leave KVR... wise choice ever.

Well to be fair, they had most of it coming and left most likely for greater control/sensorship.

I love my gladiator 2 and I don't care who makes it. But to defend some of the haters and be objective, I do recall when I first got gladiator and read a lot in the Tone2 forum while it was still at KVR that even threads praising the product but offering suggestions would be answered in a way that belittled the customer, bug reports or suggestions would be blamed on the user (and then often fixed later nonetheless!), and extremely mild-mannered threads would even be deleted. I specifically remember and thinking "hmm do I want to buy this now?" Well I decided I would anyways because they do have good support and are quite responsive, so in that respect I think it's ok to forgive someone's pride and short temper a little.

To put it in perspective though, do ever see this kind of sentiment towards Camel Audio or U-He or Rob Papen many others? No. So come on. I say forgive and move on, but don't pretend like devs don't reap what they sow.

Back to ElectraX. Just loving the sound. Isn't it crazy (in a good way) that Bass and leads barely even register cpu and polyphonic instruments are also extremely low? Even with the Croosfade PW settings (which is great for smooth wavetable morphs by the way!) that is apparently higher cpu, it's still barely higher at all. It's nice to see a synth that is promoted as being low cpu actually be extremely low cpu. Sometimes a synth is actually promoted as being low cpu in the description but turns out to be a complete hog (like Alchemy sorry to say).

I have had issues a couple times where the sound is almost non-existent for no reason though. I'll be flipping through some presets and all of a sudden I can barely hear anything at all. Reload the plug-in and those same presets sound normal as they should. Maybe just a little demo bug. I'd like to also know if the FM knob thing is a bug because if you want to manually tweak it coming in quickly, you can not keep it at zero before doing so.

[dhalfen]

To put it in perspective though, do ever see this kind of sentiment towards Camel Audio or U-He or Rob Papen many others? No. So come on. I say forgive and move on, but don't pretend like devs don't reap what they sow.

+1 -- customers are just as important as developers, after all.

Yin-yang and the whole kettle o' fish, ya know?

[bmanic]

Wow now I understand their decision to leave KVR... wise choice ever.

To put it in perspective though, do ever see this kind of sentiment towards Camel Audio or U-He or Rob Papen many others? No. So come on. I say forgive and move on, but don't pretend like devs don't reap what they sow.

This is exactly it.

One would be extremely ignorant and naive if you think it's a general fault of KvR for all the negative backlash towards Tone2.

Look how it was for Image-Line 3 or 4 years ago? Same thing, although a bit milder but for generally the same reasons. Now Gol has toned down his comments and stopped being so aggressive towards genuinely good and sincere feature suggestions and bug reports. People are also responding accordingly.

Cheers!
bManic

[penguinfromdeep]

+1 .. And if you can't stand the heat, get outta the kitchen! .. Wait, that's what Tone2 did

[MaxSynths]

In the spirit of true democracy, I also think it's interesting and informative to read about bad experiences people have had with a company

True but there's a limit and democracy must have some rules... for example in this specific thread things like the "spyware" inside Tone2 products or the need to discuss if Markus is a kind person are clearly off topic. Concerning the spyware thing it's something that has been discussed and solved here (it was only a case of paranoid), and any attempt to understand if Markus helps old womans to cross the road it's useless (as far as I know he could also worship Satan or smoke plutonium, but I'm not asking to someone to provide his DNA to understand if he can produce a good instrument ).

By the way yes... I forgot the "mute me" button, I don't like it (it would be better if people were able to understand when is appropriate or not to type this or that comment) but it seems I'll have to use it sooner or later

[zerocrossing]

Tone2 is a company who's software accesses your web connection without your permission to make sure you're not pirating their software.

But that's easily filtered out by using a firewall no? While I'm no fan of background internet connections - Tone2 is in good company. I don't know how many rules my firewall has to block all that shit. From all kinds of developers. My opinion - it's rubbish, but I'm used to it.

I remember testing this on OS X and Windows with Gladiator the last time this blew up - it was just after AiR released a crack. I couldn't find any evidence of it phoning home (unless you hit the button that is designed to send you to the home page).

However, there was, allegedly, a piece of code that, if it suspected that it was in a cracked version would make a connection. IIRC it was to send you to a page to encourage you to buy the software. The thread on here (which unmasked a warez user in the process) was moved to HPC, I think, and ultimately deleted. In some ways that was a shame because it was quite instructive in the level of detail devs need to get into to harden their products against cracks and yet still be able to use keyfiles or serials rather than C/R or dongles. I'm not very anti-dongle, but I applaud Tone2 and U-he among others for sticking with convenient copy-protection methods.

It happened to me with a 100% legit licensed copy downloaded from Tone2's link. I couldn't get it to work correctly and got an email directly from the developer telling me to alter my firewall. As soon as I gave the plug in permission to bypass my firewall it worked perfectly. I think it's since changed, but this is the way the software shipped. So maybe it suspected I was using a cracked version. So what difference does that make? Calling home is calling home regardless.

I don't mind copy protection. I've got 2 dongles for music and a Lightwave dongle so I'm used it it. I do mind when developers treat customers like criminals.

[musikmachine]

To put it in perspective though, do ever see this kind of sentiment towards Camel Audio or U-He or Rob Papen many others? No. So come on. I say forgive and move on, but don't pretend like devs don't reap what they sow.

+1 -- customers are just as important as developers, after all.

Yin-yang and the whole kettle o' fish, ya know?

Which came first; the user or the dev?

[zerocrossing]

Concerning the spyware thing it's something that has been discussed and solved here (it was only a case of paranoid)

100% not true.