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electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:36 pm

Maomoondog wrote:I believe it has been mentioned that the GUI will be given a new skin very soon. But I would also welcome the larger Left/Right arrows to navigate the patches.

BlackWinny - I look forward to your completed cart very much

GUI is the least important consideration for a plug like this. Why not get all functionality down 100% first?

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:37 pm

electro wrote:
Maomoondog wrote:I believe it has been mentioned that the GUI will be given a new skin very soon. But I would also welcome the larger Left/Right arrows to navigate the patches.

BlackWinny - I look forward to your completed cart very much
GUI is the least important consideration for a plug like this.

For you!!!

You could think to the others who have not your eyes !!!

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:57 pm

White text on black background? Absolutely no thank you.

DysfunK_Shaun · Post by **DysfunK_Shaun** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:04 pm

BlackWinny wrote:
electro wrote:
Maomoondog wrote:I believe it has been mentioned that the GUI will be given a new skin very soon. But I would also welcome the larger Left/Right arrows to navigate the patches.

BlackWinny - I look forward to your completed cart very much
GUI is the least important consideration for a plug like this.
For you!!!

You could think to the others who have not your eyes !!!

There are plenty of us with good eyesight that consider a pleasant and useable GUI to be important too.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:14 pm

It's common knowledge in perception psychology that black text on white is much easier to read than white on a black background.

Perhaps negative text could be made an option. As for myself, I hate negative text on a screen or on a printed page.

/Joachim

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:11 pm

BlackWinny wrote:
electro wrote:
Maomoondog wrote:I believe it has been mentioned that the GUI will be given a new skin very soon. But I would also welcome the larger Left/Right arrows to navigate the patches.

BlackWinny - I look forward to your completed cart very much
GUI is the least important consideration for a plug like this.
For you!!!

You could think to the others who have not your eyes !!!

Sure, the color / text thing should be prioritized. But....making Dexed "pretty" should not.

asb2m10 · Post by **asb2m10** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:24 pm

electro wrote:
Maomoondog wrote:I believe it has been mentioned that the GUI will be given a new skin very soon. But I would also welcome the larger Left/Right arrows to navigate the patches.

BlackWinny - I look forward to your completed cart very much
GUI is the least important consideration for a plug like this. Why not get all functionality down 100% first?

With 0.7, we are pretty much there. Let's say 98%.

What is missing is the portamento and specific modulation amount (for the pitch-wheel and breath controller. Yeah the breath controller).

There are still bugs, but this will be address finally in 0.9. And 0.9.1 ....

I will be working on the new GUI in the next weeks.

As for the colors, I will let the UI designer (AZZZ) decide. It is important that the colors matches.

As for theme of easy to read colors, why not. Once the new UI is done.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:30 pm

electro wrote:
BlackWinny wrote:
electro wrote:
Maomoondog wrote:I believe it has been mentioned that the GUI will be given a new skin very soon. But I would also welcome the larger Left/Right arrows to navigate the patches.

BlackWinny - I look forward to your completed cart very much
GUI is the least important consideration for a plug like this.
For you!!!

You could think to the others who have not your eyes !!!
Sure, the color / text thing should be prioritized. But....making Dexed "pretty" should not.

For that, I totally agree. And I never struggle for "prettier" GUI's. Always for GUI's useable for poor eyesight. Because it is a fact that this side of the things are systematically neglected. And at very, very, very few exceptions, the developers don't care at all of the requests made for readability for the visually impaired persons. More that 90% of the GUI's are made without the least consideration for us, even after requests. I hope, I deeply hope that these requests will be understood for Dexed. For the moment it is really a total mess for me and for several other users.

As it is for the moment, I use it, but with many difficulties. And I'm never the last to bring an help for many other KVR members. I'm trying to make a huge collection of sysex for Dexed... but I must tell you that sometimes I'm very close to abandon, only because of the problems I have related, despite the huge quality of the engine of the synth.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:34 pm

Spitfire31 wrote:It's common knowledge in perception psychology that black text on white is much easier to read than white on a black background.

Perhaps negative text could be made an option. As for myself, I hate negative text on a screen or on a printed page.

/Joachim

It has nothing to do with the psychological perception here. We are talking about eye impairments !

Perhaps that you hate... but it would be nice to think that for other persons it's not a question to like or to hate... but to be able to use!

To never think of the impairments of the other persons, and simply say "I hate"... is pure egoism, a personal point without any thought to the simple useability for others who have even not to say "I like" or "I hate" but simply say "I would like to have your excellent eyes to use it like you"!

The majority of the developers as well as the majority of users piss on the impaired persons who can't even use their products.

If the very wide majority have excellent eyesight and can say "I love" or "I hate" among 100% of the products... there are other musicians who can use at the great maximum 10 or 15% of these products when it's not yet less!

Maomoondog · Post by **Maomoondog** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:45 pm

BlackWinny wrote: I'm trying to make a huge collection of sysex for Dexed... but I must tell you that sometimes I'm very close to abandon, only because of the problems I have related, despite the huge quality of the engine of the synth.

Please don't abandon the sysex compilation, it is a great help to the community and of the dexed lovers

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:58 pm

BlackWinny wrote:
Spitfire31 wrote:It's common knowledge in perception psychology that black text on white is much easier to read than white on a black background.

Perhaps negative text could be made an option. As for myself, I hate negative text on a screen or on a printed page.

/Joachim
It has nothing to do with the psychological perception here. We are talking about eye impairments !

Perhaps that you hate... but it would be nice to think that for other persons it's not a question to like or to hate... but to be able to use!

To never think of the impairments of the other persons, and simply say "I hate"... is pure egoism, a personal point without any thought to the simple useability for others who have even not to say "I like" or "I hate" but simply say "I would like to have your excellent eyes to use it like you"!

The majority of the developers as well as the majority of users piss on the impaired persons who can't even use their products.

If the very wide majority have excellent eyesight and can say "I love" or "I hate" among 100% of the products... there are other musicians who can use at the great maximum 10 or 15% of these products when it's not yet less!

Your remarks about "majority of users piss on the impaired person" is uncalled for and in particularly bad taste.

The fact remains that, for a majority of users, white-on-black text is more difficult to read and causes more eye strain.

As I suggested, perhaps white-on-black could be made a selectable option. Then everybody would be happy.

/Joachim

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:22 pm

Spitfire31 wrote:Your remarks about "majority of users piss on the impaired person" is uncalled for and in particularly bad taste.

It's although the truth. But I don't say that it is the case for Dexed. Else I would anymore be there for long.

Spitfire31 wrote:The fact remains that, for a majority of users, white-on-black text is more difficult to read and causes more eye strain.

Almost all the webdesigners have understood that the white (or very, very pale) letters on black (or very, very dark) background is physiologically the best for the sight on digital screens. And it is even now in the recommendations from many teachers and many professional books about the use of modern screens, whatever they are.

We must point out that we don't talk about the paper, but actually of the use of screen applications. The best readability is very pale letters on very dark backgrounds.

Look at all the browsers of Native Instruments, all the browsers of U-He, the browser of Alchemy, the browser of Bitwig, and so many others... They have understood the problem. And few years ago they have totally changed their position to match the real adequation of digital screen browser colors for the eye.

Spitfire31 wrote:As I suggested, perhaps white-on-black could be made a selectable option. Then everybody would be happy.

For that, I totally agree.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:28 pm

Maomoondog wrote:
BlackWinny wrote: I'm trying to make a huge collection of sysex for Dexed... but I must tell you that sometimes I'm very close to abandon, only because of the problems I have related, despite the huge quality of the engine of the synth.
Please don't abandon the sysex compilation, it is a great help to the community and of the dexed lovers

Don't worry, Bernd, I shall not abandon. I'm too much passionate... and it is certainly very very useful for many Dexed and DX lovers. It's a real pain for my eyes, but I shall not abandon.

chris.r · Post by **chris.r** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:56 pm

asb2m10 wrote:What is missing is the portamento and specific modulation amount (for the pitch-wheel and breath controller).

I will be working on the new GUI in the next weeks.

As for the colors, I will let the UI designer (AZZZ) decide. It is important that the colors matches.

As for theme of easy to read colors, why not. Once the new UI is done.

As I'm playing on the older NI FM7, it's multi-portamento is working so smooth and beautifuly. Would be nice to see such implementation in Dexed, which already is an excellent synth.

For the GUI the original DX7 touch of FM7 is also pleasant. This may be a hint for the designer

arkmabat · Post by **arkmabat** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:17 pm

Maomoondog wrote:
BlackWinny wrote: I'm trying to make a huge collection of sysex for Dexed... but I must tell you that sometimes I'm very close to abandon, only because of the problems I have related, despite the huge quality of the engine of the synth.
Please don't abandon the sysex compilation, it is a great help to the community and of the dexed lovers

Yes, I await it's completion! It's okay if some don't work. Label it a dx7 collection.

Free FM Synthesizer Dexed (VST Windows and Mac)