Tranzistow/Diodow

[Teksonik]

I find it hard to help a dev do his thing when he seems unwilling to return the favor.

I've already lost something beautiful twice to how Diodow (unintuively) works now. The dev attitude seems to be "Don't like that? Then leave it". Disheartening.

I find his attitude refreshing. He made these tools for himself to his specifications to work on his system.

Who cares what a bunch of punters at KVR think or want ? Very refreshing.

So what "favor" do you think you're doing for him ? Don't like these tools ? Then move on.....

I think we're lucky to even have the chance to have a play with these synths.

I developed Tranzistow and Diodow for myself in the first (and only) place. My goal was not to (try to) emulate existing (hardware or software, analog or digital) synthesizers but to create something I can actually use in my own music, to master DSP/Assembler/Vector/SSE/AVX/AVX2/GPU/OpenCL programming, to refresh my mathematics knowledge and, last but not least - to have fun. As a result, the synthesizer is mostly unconventional, some features (which most users take for granted) could be missing or could look rather strange, user interface may not be everybody's cup of tea because it was designed according to my habits/needs, etc.

By the way there is an updated version available for download.

[Teksonik]

Oh and.......

I made a mistake in the past and gave a free Tranzistow license to some "valuable electro-music.com forum members" but they did exactly nothing with Tranzistow and I got exactly nothing in exchange. They couldn't even spend a couple of minutes and write a few words about Tranzistow on the forum! So, it didn't make any sense to continue with this practice

[egbert101]

I find his attitude refreshing. He made these tools for himself to his specifications to work on his system.

Who cares what a bunch of punters at KVR think or want ? Very refreshing.

So what "favor" do you think you're doing for him ? Don't like these tools ? Then move on.....

I think we're lucky to even have the chance to have a play with these synths.

His attutude and attitudes like that from developers in general stinks.

You can't really complain that people have opinions when there are now two threads in KVR instruments promoting his instruments. If he doesn't want people using his software, then perhaps he shouldn't have a website promoting them.

[Teksonik]

I find his attitude refreshing. He made these tools for himself to his specifications to work on his system.

Who cares what a bunch of punters at KVR think or want ? Very refreshing.

So what "favor" do you think you're doing for him ? Don't like these tools ? Then move on.....

I think we're lucky to even have the chance to have a play with these synths.

His attutude and attitudes like that from developers in general stinks.

You can't really complain that people have opinions when there are now two threads in KVR instruments promoting his instruments. If he doesn't want people using his software, then perhaps he shouldn't have a website promoting them.

Learn what "as is" means. It's the ungrateful d-bags that will cause him to stop sharing these great synths and those of us who can actually appreciate generosity without crying for more will lose the ability to enjoy these works.

Again don't like it ? Move on..........

[Guenon]

His attutude and attitudes like that from developers in general stinks.

It isn't quite like that. What you are saying is, essentially, everyone who publicly puts on display, and for other people to try out, something they have created... should also be obliged to offer commercial type of support, for no compensation, and give consideration to random people's wishes from all around the world, regarding the features of what ever they created.

It doesn't work that way. It's absolutely great that people offer all kinds of mad things they create, for other people to wonder and poke at. For some of those people, it will be inspiring, and something new arises from using it, in turn. If someone, or even most people, don't like what they see when someone puts something on display like that -- they can just stop examining it and continue somewhere else, it's no biggie. It shouldn't be of concern, as not everyone likes every possible thing, obviously. It's absolutely not problematic, and it most definitely doesn't "stink." On the contrary, it's beautiful that people are willing to display their personal creations like this, while still knowing that there are people who comment on it like you do.

Regardless of what the creation is, if it reaches even a handful of people who are inspired by what they can do with it, and can add their own knowhow in using it (who knows, maybe even in ways that the creator might not have thought of), now, that's true to the hacker spirit. And just great. It's sharing what you have created for yourself, in the hopes that it is of use and delight to someone else out there, too. Again, if there's nothing for you in something like this, just go somewhere where there is something that inspires you. It's not a problem.

[egbert101]

His attutude and attitudes like that from developers in general stinks.

It isn't quite like that. What you are saying is, essentially, everyone who publicly puts on display, and for other people to try out, something they have created... should also be obliged to offer commercial type of support, for no compensation, and give consideration to random people's wishes from all around the world, regarding the features of what ever they created.

Nice strawman there.

[Guenon]

Nice strawman there.

The irony of this is, ^ this is a strawman , albeit a bit meta, haha. If you want to go to fallacies, even slippery slope would have been better, as I did quite a generalization there. But your stance is far more difficult to objectively support than that.

Again, someone created something for their own use, something that is bound to inspire people around the world if it is put on public display so that likeminded people can examine it. That's awesome. If you don't like it, it's not for you, and that's not a problem or somehow a bad thing.

[Guenon]

By the way there is an updated version available for download.

[colonp]

If he was asking for money for these synths, I could absolutely understand any complaints. But as these are FREE, sorry, but you're all just flat out WRONG. He has no obligation to anybody for synths that he made for HIM.

1. Tranzistow is NOT free.

2. I did not demand anything, I simply complained about his attitude. If I offer you a sack of shit for free, I'm not gonna diss you for complaining about the smell. It's shit, ffs. The price of 0 does not make the smell better. But have fun debating that with the sack-of-shit-fanboys! "It can be used as manure, you whiny child!!! Damn kids these days, so ungrateful "

So what "favor" do you think you're doing for him ? Don't like these tools ? Then move on.....

By the way there is an updated version available for download.

I have been testing it and posting about it. That new version? Made because of bugs reported by partakers in the OSC, like me.

if there's nothing for you in something like this, just go somewhere where there is something that inspires you. It's not a problem.

The problem starts when the thing becomes a wall between me and a creative outlet of mine (the OSC).

You guys are right, though, I am barking at the wrong tree - the tree doesn't care anyway. I will be "filing this" at the OSC, so that hopefully user-unfriendly devs don't get picked in the future.

[Teksonik]

99 % of all KVR members have never contributed a thing to the community other than sharing their sense of entitlement.

If I share some free patches I made for a synth that are done in the style that I like I don't expect someone to complain "these aren't good for EDM". Well I don't do EDM so I don't care. Don't work on a Mac ? I don't care since I don't own a Mac. If I was charging for the patches it would be different. But if I say "here's some patches I've done that I like, please feel to use them if you wish", I don't expect to get a bunch of complaints. Don't like them ? Don't use them, delete and move on.

You're lucky to get one "will check them later" response out of a few hundred downloads. KVR was a much different place in the old days. Which is why you don't see the same generosity and sense of community these days.......

[wagtunes]

Okay, for those of you bitching about the dev, I'm going to refer to this post below.

I find it hard to help a dev do his thing when he seems unwilling to return the favor.

I've already lost something beautiful twice to how Diodow (unintuively) works now. The dev attitude seems to be "Don't like that? Then leave it". Disheartening.

Okay, do WHAT thing exactly? The dev didn't make the synth for you. He made it for HIM. So he's done his thing. He's perfectly content with HIS creation that he made for HIM. That he's made it available to others at all is a credit to him considering he is asking for NO money. He owes nobody anything. Not when it's something he made for HIS use.

Is it so hard to get that through your thick skull?

Sheesh. The entitlement of people drives me crazy.

[Guenon]

If I offer you a sack of shit for free, I'm not gonna diss you for complaining about the smell. It's shit, ffs. The price of 0 does not make the smell better. But have fun debating that with the sack-of-shit-fanboys! "It can be used as manure, you whiny child!!! Damn kids these days, so ungrateful "

I have offered a sack of shit for free (rabbit shit, to be precise), to a botanist who absolutely loved it. It's very high in nitrogen content and acts as a super fertilizer. No shit, honest.

I will be "filing this" at the OSC, so that hopefully user-unfriendly devs don't get picked in the future.

Ok, please just do that

[wagtunes]

If he was asking for money for these synths, I could absolutely understand any complaints. But as these are FREE, sorry, but you're all just flat out WRONG. He has no obligation to anybody for synths that he made for HIM.

1. Tranzistow is NOT free.

2. I did not demand anything, I simply complained about his attitude. If I offer you a sack of shit for free, I'm not gonna diss you for complaining about the smell. It's shit, ffs. The price of 0 does not make the smell better. But have fun debating that with the sack-of-shit-fanboys! "It can be used as manure, you whiny child!!! Damn kids these days, so ungrateful "

So what "favor" do you think you're doing for him ? Don't like these tools ? Then move on.....

By the way there is an updated version available for download.

I have been testing it and posting about it. That new version? Made because of bugs reported by partakers in the OSC, like me.

if there's nothing for you in something like this, just go somewhere where there is something that inspires you. It's not a problem.

The problem starts when the thing becomes a wall between me and a creative outlet of mine (the OSC).

You guys are right, though, I am barking at the wrong tree - the tree doesn't care anyway. I will be "filing this" at the OSC, so that hopefully user-unfriendly devs don't get picked in the future.

First of all, Diodow, which is what you're complaining about, IS free. Tranzistow, which I just got FREE, can be gotten so by making patches for the dev to use. I've given him 125 so far and will be giving him a lot more. Oh, and by the way, had he chosen not to give me Tranzistow, that would have been okay as nobody forced me to make patches for him and there was no "promise" of a license for doing so. Just a consideration. But from what I hear, you do for him, he does for you. And so far I have found that to be nothing but true.

Diodow doesn't work on your DAW? He's already made it clear that he's NOT making this thing so it can work on every system. He just doesn't have the resources. I'm fortunate that it does work in my DAW but there are plenty of synths out there that don't and I've had to pass on. That's life. We don't always get everything we want.

As for the OSC, we've had PLENTY of synths that only worked on a few systems and were buggy as hell. So whatever problems you're having with Diodow is not new to the OSC.

Are there things about Diodow I don't like? Well, not many but one big thing is sharing of patches using samples. It's a royal pain because the synth hard codes the sample path. So you have to go into the patch with an editor and make it a relative path. Annoying, but I'll live with it because I'm just grateful to have a synth that the man made FOR HIS OWN USE.

Eventually that will sink into your thick skull.

[Teksonik]

So what "favor" do you think you're doing for him ?

I have been testing it and posting about it. That new version? Made because of bugs reported by partakers in the OSC, like me.

He made that version for us....tell me again how that's doing him a favor ? Obviously it worked just fine for his needs before people started complaining. Again read the quotes I posted. I even made bold the salient points.

I think the mistake is calling him a "developer". He's just a very talented DSP programmer who created some awesome synths for himself and out of pure generosity allowed us to have access to them. He owes us nothing.

Once he starts selling these synths or asking for input from others you can call him developer. Until then lets just call him a talented and generous programmer who has created some very interesting sounding synths and be grateful for the opportunity to use them......

Once again, if you're unhappy with the situation then simply...move...on.

[wagtunes]

So what "favor" do you think you're doing for him ?

I have been testing it and posting about it. That new version? Made because of bugs reported by partakers in the OSC, like me.

He made that version for us....tell me again how that's doing him a favor ? Obviously it worked just fine for his needs before people started complaining. Again read the quotes I posted. I even made bold the salient points.

I think the mistake is calling him a "developer". He's just a very talented DSP programmer who created some awesome synths for himself and out of pure generosity allowed us to have access to them. He owes us nothing.

Once he starts selling these synths or asking for input from others you can call him developer. Until then lets just call him a talented and generous programmer who has created some very interesting sounding synths and be grateful for the opportunity to use them......

Once again, if you're unhappy with the situation then simply...move...on.

It scares me when we agree on something. LOL