IKs MixBox

[an-electric-heart]

why i can not use my fx section from sampletank4 for other audio
so a sampletank4 fx plugin why ?

why do you come with a plugin that are already in sampletank4 or Amplitude?

why the gui is f**king blurry ?

why i mustinstall all modules from t-racks ? why it shows all plugins ?
why is there no button to show me the plugins i have

why is there a custom shop i hate it ?

so f**king sad to write this
i really like sampletank4 and t-racks but for now i think about it to sell it
bad marketing moves from you

Why does the release of MixBox make you stop liking T-Racks and Sampletank?
Can't you just cover your eyes and ears and do the old "LA LA LA LA" thing, pretend MixBox doesn't exist, and go back to liking T-Racks and Sampletank?
What's the problem here? If you don't like MixBox, you don't like MixBox.

[fmr]

The ruling from the European Court of Justice ripped the rights of software developers to control the resale of use licenses of their own copyrighted works. The only way for a developer to retain their rights is to put a time limit on the license, making it clear that it is a license to use the software only, not a transfer of ownership of their IP rights.

This is the reason you are seeing time limits in licensing agreements and also subscription based software licenses. The EU royally screwed all software developers (and users, as an extension), and the use and sale of software will forever suffer until the EU finally dies.

How did the EU royally screwed all software developers? It simply allowed to transfer the rights of use that HAVE BEEN PAID FOR to other user. If something, they limited rights that HAD TO BE LIMITED because they had been abused.

Same happens with copyright laws too, Those too need to be revised because they are being abused, IMO.

[Gamma-UT]

The ruling from the European Court of Justice ripped the rights of software developers to control the resale of use licenses of their own copyrighted works.

This has got to be one the maddest justifications I've seen. The right of resale was a one-time-only thing and the limits of that ruling haven't been fully tested. There is no earthly reason why a licence should be locked to a single user and a time limitation on it makes no sense as a workaround as if it were the case things like leasehold property sales wouldn't work either.

And I am utterly mystified as to why someone thinking a legal ruling that is more user-friendly should be characterised as a bad thing given the incredibly asymmetric nature of the average EULA. Instead it's: WHY OH WHY WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CORPORATIONS???!!!???

I despair sometimes.

[Burillo]

the software developer is providing a service that's available to the general public, so it has to abide by certain rules other sellers have to abide by. that includes ceding control of the purchase once it has been made. you wouldn't steal a car, you don't steal your license. you would be able to sell your car, so you should be able to sell your software license. can't have it both ways.

also, lol @ concept of "being deprived of rights to control their copyrighted work". even if the ruling became law, that wouldn't have been true. the software developer still controls the copyright on their work. they still are the only person who holds the right to create new licenses. what right is being lost, exactly? the "right" to deprive the software buyer of his rights as a buyer?

[revvy]

You wouldn't steal a car. You wouldn't steal a handbag.

[vurt]

You wouldn't steal a car.

cant drive so thats definitely a no go.

[stech9]

the software developer is providing a service that's available to the general public, so it has to abide by certain rules...(PQ)

Is one of the rules a timely roll-out of app/plugin fixes? Let's face it, MixBox only has a 30 year shelf life (attempt at being funny).

Very interesting this whole anti-IP ruling (as referenced by 'jamcat' regarding the ECJ in UsedSoft v Oracle case). It seems to benefit the developers. Is it so that users see software as disposable and as such this does not impact them (sans the engaged group here)? Grandpa had a car that drove him to his funeral. He bought it new, kept it runnin' and the devil never caught him.

On the lighter side: I am finding MixBox challenging. There are plenty of great features. There are indications they are working on a fix for the blurry GUI as well as a phase issue (it is hard to know exactly what is being worked on as IK Multimedia seems to lack useful transparency in these matters - there is no 'were working on this' webpage). These are all good things yet in my experience with the tool, your thinking has to stay inside the box. Creativity is limited to thinking in a very narrow and standardized way. Routing is not as advanced as I would like to see. The lack of a 'Gate' is curious. You can only side chain compressors. There are plenty of 'Rack' presets yet for each module only a handful. I am noticing that the CPU usage flips around (min 10%) when MixBox is idle. MixBox really likes the GPU. When one considers that in your DAW you can open a window and select tabs to view a channels plugins, it makes sense to question how this helps. IK Multimedia marketing is big on the 4 'new' reverb algorithms. The reverb interfaces are similar to the old with new parameters. Maybe I became used to T-RackS CSR. I am not finding the new reverb algorithms as useful as one would hope.

The 'time' requirement of new software is worth taking note of. Not only did I pay for the software, I must learn it, test it and engage with support to improve it. It would be a shame to use it in production only to find out that it is creating curious unwanted harmonic artifacts.

[stech9]

Is anyone else noticed that the 'Preamp' gain button does not grey out or allow manipulation for the 'mellow', 'britac' and 'clean' selections?

Is anyone else finding the 'Reverb Delay' and 'Digital Reverb' size parameter selection to be counter-intuitive? It would have been nice to see three size parameter possibilities rather than two (Large, Medium and Small (small is nowhere to be found)).

[Ryan_IK]

That's classic IK. In public: "Have you contacted tech support? I'm sure they'll help you out".

In private. IK Tech Support: "Not our problem. Ticket closed."

yeah that so true
i have wrote them one year ago
ticket closed, they say its my fault how funny is that?

I've sent you both a PM, I will personally check into this for you to see what happened. I can assure you that's not a normal experience.

Don’t let the guitar fool you, the man is an AES member and has a degree in music technology.

What are you saying about guitarists?

Nothing, I am a guitarist :p I was just stating he's more than just a great guitarist, he's also an excellent engineer.

On the lighter side: I am finding MixBox challenging. There are plenty of great features. There are indications they are working on a fix for the blurry GUI as well as a phase issue (it is hard to know exactly what is being worked on as IK Multimedia seems to lack useful transparency in these matters - there is no 'were working on this' webpage).

IK Multimedia marketing is big on the 4 'new' reverb algorithms. The reverb interfaces are similar to the old with new parameters. Maybe I became used to T-RackS CSR. I am not finding the new reverb algorithms as useful as one would hope.

We'll include a full set of Release Notes with any specifics toward the build. I can assure you that these will have some details for you guys, I just saw some of the notes today.

If you checked out the new reverbs, did you try automating the Size parameter? I'm not usually one to mess with this on a reverb, but these modules have a really interesting effect when you moving this during playback. It's a different reaction from the CSR stuff and it caught me off guard at first, but now it's becoming a go-to for when I'm creating unique ambient background sounds. Just a thought!

Make sure to pass your feature requests to the official wish list.
https://cgi.ikmultimedia.com/ikforum/vi ... 13&t=25468

Thank you for all your efforts. I appreciate the work you do. Be sure take a walk to the backroom, letting the fine men and women there know, they are appreciated as well.

Will do! Thanks for your kind words. I'll make sure to pass your feedback along to the team. Sorry for leaving out the details from the user manual, I didn't want to over crowd the thread since there is quite a bit of information for some modules. Some might not have the most lengthy descriptions due to their nature, but I can certainly ask about any specifics you're interested in to see what information I could find.

Check out the Ensemble description, this is by far my favorite module in MixBox.

Based on the Roland® Juno and string synth (Synth I, Synth II) and the Solina® / ARP®
String Ensemble (String) ensemble chorus effects.
This module contains three distinct chorus effects that recreate the ensemble effect from
the most iconic 70s string machines used for everything from pop to disco to Berlin
School electronic music along with the analog chorus of one of the most famous synths
of the 80s. A subtle overdrive control simulates the saturation of the original bucket
brigade circuit, and a powerful pre-emphasis EQ control adds presence to the sound
which can otherwise get reduced with deep chorus effects such as these. You can even
de-select the chorus modes to just use the overdrive and pre-emphasis alone if you
prefer.

Now, I don't want to say all that and not get you guys some more demos, so check this one out with Brent McCollough:

[stech9]

If you checked out the new reverbs, did you try automating the Size parameter? (PQ)

No I have not, thank you for the suggestion. Sounds interesting....

[stech9]

...but I can certainly ask about any specifics you're interested in to see what information I could find. (PQ)

Yes some module descriptions are better than others. I would like to see more tech details though.

• Volume/Gain increment (what is the increment) details

• Q specs (hard/soft)

• Frequency (what is the target)

• Presence specs (high frequency shelving boost details)

• Compression setting ratios

• Anytime a parameter manipulation has an effect on another parameter (like pan laws)

• Tips (e.g. use Color to alter the tone, use in combination with Gain to create smooth/hard harmonic distortion)

• Suggestions (much like your automation suggestion earlier / what to watch out for)

• Best practices for 'Rack' module chaining

I look forward to the positioned update.
Thank you

[jamcat]

you would be able to sell your car, so you should be able to sell your software license. can't have it both ways.

Sure, you can sell your car, just like you can sell your computer
but you can't sell your driver's license.

[vurt]

you would be able to sell your car, so you should be able to sell your software license. can't have it both ways.

Sure, you can sell your car, just like you can sell your computer
but you can't sell your driver's license.

are you saying people shouldnt be able to sell software second hand?

[jamcat]

you would be able to sell your car, so you should be able to sell your software license. can't have it both ways.

Sure, you can sell your car, just like you can sell your computer
but you can't sell your driver's license.

are you saying people shouldnt be able to sell software second hand?

You don't buy software in the way that you buy a physical object.

You purchase permission from someone to use their intellectual property.
You cannot sell permission granted to you by someone to someone else.
That has always been the law, and still is, everywhere except the EU since 2012.

Selling a software key that you were given to unlock software is like selling the key to your hotel room to someone else.

The ECJ ruling means that James Bond could sell his License to Kill granted by the Queen to Hans Gruber, because they were both under the jurisdiction of the EU at the time.

[vurt]

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The ECJ ruling means that James Bond could sell his License to Kill granted by the Queen to Hans Gruber, because they were both under the jurisdiction of the EU at the time.

yippee kay ay mother bleeper!

i enjoyed die hard
james bond. not so much.

thanks though, was just interested in your view, youve explained it pretty thoroughly, which i appreciate. glad you didnt think i was being sarcastic.

not sure i agree, but i do see where you are coming from