Should I buy a DAW or use AI to make my music?

[Synthman2000]

Yes, I had edited that before your post came through. See things are moving fast ! Things change before a post is completed.

[Jac459]

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By right my line of work should have ended by now. It has not, in fact relatively small impact. However as mentioned different industries are going to have a lot of different degrees of change from AI as it gains pace. I think the problem might be the pace will be so incredibly fast many industries might be knocked off their feet before there is a chance to respond. That is not good for overall societal economic stability, and that can affect a lot of people, even those that may have have had less direct impact initially from AI.

We don't really know what is going to happen or quite when.

I fully agree with you in particular about the pace that will be "incredibly fast" and then extremely violent when the "revolution" will really start.

[vurt]

edit, mis read post and of course no delete button here.

Ok I can spin it... freedom is unlikely without support means. If your government of the day is not providing universal basic income there will only be freedom to be impoverished unless you are a wealthy individual already.

yes, this is part of the issue, and why we need to be careful how we get there.
it needs progressive thinking in power, which at present is rare, but the younger generations are becoming more progressive and remaining so (i saw a study a while back) where it used to be we'd start our more idealistic and work and such would turn us less so and start thinking more about ourselves and not the society around us.

[Synthman2000]

I appreciate you posts Jac, despite them being very alarming.

Trouble is Vurt it is not you or I in control of how we get there. Many governments do not even know what AI is capable of and in fear of being technologically left behind.. by not having a regulatory frame work in place. In fact nor do those who have developed it. I was watching a short video about there being a blind spot..

Like looking at a physical organ of the brain and not being able to see the thoughts inside.. something like that, relating to inputs vs outputs from AI.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/a ... 21276.html

I am no expert just following along picking up news stories here and there... and wondering, like others.

[Jac459]

not if we are talking about post ai taking all labour, using mechanical means.
why would humans do anything we didn't enjoy? we could spend time with family and friends, get creative, go for walks, stare at the sky...

this is what i do now anyway, so im not waiting for ai. well, not the walks, not with my knees.

Well, the first time you answered freedom I couldn't help but thinking about kids starving in some poor countries... I am sure they don't think about freedom...

What I mean by that is that your reasoning suppose a very wise split of richness among human...

Again, I am not expert in history but I don't think your enthusiasm is backed by historical events...

I know only 2 ways richness have been split among humans in history. Either by force, the stronger take... That is the overwhelming majority of the cases. The second, which is what has created our modern society, is the split of richness by our work. It is super widely imperfect and unfair, but still somehow, if you work your ass off, you have a chance to succeed and get a part of the richness. Tomorrow, if this is not possible anymore, either we invent a new way, either we go back to method 1...

[Jac459]

I appreciate you posts Jac, despite them being very alarming.

Sorry man, I think my last post is even worst... I should stop now because KVR is supposed to be a fun medium for me, not a way to make everybody nervous haha.
Let's talk about why Serum is better than Spire that is better than Diva that is better than Pigments that is better than Phase Plants that is better than Serum .

[Aloysius]

edit, mis read post and of course no delete button here.

Ok I can spin it... freedom is unlikely without support means. If your government of the day is not providing universal basic income there will only be freedom to be impoverished unless you are a wealthy individual already.

Where do you think governments get their money? Do you think they earn it somehow?

[vurt]

I appreciate you posts Jac, despite them being very alarming.

Trouble is Vurt it is not you or I in control of how we get there. Many governments do not even know what AI is capable of and in fear of being technologically left behind.. by not having a regulatory frame work in place. In fact nor do those who have developed it. I was watching a short video about there being a blind spot..

Like looking at a physical organ of the brain and not being able to see the thoughts inside.. something like that, relating to inputs vs outputs from AI.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/a ... 21276.html

I am no expert just following along picking up news stories here and there... and wondering, like others.

same.
i like to look positive on the future, despite evidence to the contrary.
hope is a muscle, you gotta exercise it!

[vurt]

not if we are talking about post ai taking all labour, using mechanical means.
why would humans do anything we didn't enjoy? we could spend time with family and friends, get creative, go for walks, stare at the sky...

this is what i do now anyway, so im not waiting for ai. well, not the walks, not with my knees.

Well, the first time you answered freedom I couldn't help but thinking about kids starving in some poor countries... I am sure they don't think about freedom...

What I mean by that is that your reasoning suppose a very wise split of richness among human...

Again, I am not expert in history but I don't think your enthusiasm is backed by historical events...

I know only 2 ways richness have been split among humans in history. Either by force, the stronger take... That is the overwhelming majority of the cases. The second, which is what has created our modern society, is the split of richness by our work. It is super widely imperfect and unfair, but still somehow, if you work your ass off, you have a chance to succeed and get a part of the richness. Tomorrow, if this is not possible anymore, either we invent a new way, either we go back to method 1...

one day, people will have had enough of history, repeating itself.

have hope.

[Jac459]

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Trouble is Vurt it is not you or I in control of how we get there. Many governments do not even know what AI is capable of and in fear of being technologically left behind.. by not having a regulatory frame work in place. In fact nor do those who have developed it. I was watching a short video about there being a blind spot..

Like looking at a physical organ of the brain and not being able to see the thoughts inside.. something like that, relating to inputs vs outputs from AI.
...

On a more positive note, I was friend with a very wise old man who was saying that a natural mistake of humans is that they predict the future by extrapolating the present.

When in fact the curse of time is often very much more chaotic (in a potentially positive manner).

So the worst is not certain :-p.

[Jac459]

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have hope.

I do my friend! The more people with hope, the more reason we have to be hopeful...

[Jac459]

edit, mis read post and of course no delete button here.

Ok I can spin it... freedom is unlikely without support means. If your government of the day is not providing universal basic income there will only be freedom to be impoverished unless you are a wealthy individual already.

Where do you think governments get their money? Do you think they earn it somehow?

I don't think you get the point of Synthman2000.

Governments get their money by 1 - taxing work and 2 - taxing property.

If tomorrow work is strongly reduced, how will we do ?

[vurt]

what will we need money for?
ai is building everything, farming everything, packaging everything...
who is getting paid? no one, things no longer cost money if there is no hourly rate. as that is where the cost comes from.

we have to forget the old way of doing things, where there was finite resources as there won't be.
we will have moved on from fossil fuels, which is what economy is based on.

[Jac459]

what will we need money for?
ai is building everything, farming everything, packaging everything...
who is getting paid? no one, things no longer cost money if there is no hourly rate. as that is where the cost comes from.

we have to forget the old way of doing things, where there was finite resources as there won't be.
we will have moved on from fossil fuels, which is what economy is based on.

I think by we you mean our grand-grand-grand-grand-children... Provided humanity exists hehe.

[Synthman2000]

what will we need money for?
ai is building everything, farming everything, packaging everything...
who is getting paid? no one, things no longer cost money if there is no hourly rate. as that is where the cost comes from.

we have to forget the old way of doing things, where there was finite resources as there won't be.
we will have moved on from fossil fuels, which is what economy is based on.

I understand the angle from which you are coming.. I think.

However just look around right now. Are we in ascent or decline, on average. I appreciate you have a more optimistic view than I do.

Jobs involving hard physical labour are set to be least impacted initially, so AI won't be building any houses/factories etc. The issue labourers/builders might have is people won't need more houses to be built as their jobs no longer exist, so their work will dry up pretty quick. Farming, unlikely to be impacted hugely at first, and it is already hugely mechanized and tough labour is still required and in use. The initial costs of a robotic work force in the field will be gargantuan, are farmers meant to be in debt for millions when they can barely grow turnips in the UK cause they cannot get 1p more per turnip off the supermarkets ? Things are very delicately balanced.

A high tech, high rare mineral wealth dependent, super sensitive DSP/chip based society is potentially super fragile as well. It may not be robust or resilient.

People will possibly be discouraged, maybe even incentivized to not have children as there won't be enough heavy work left to go around for those whose job is gone. (the last remaining work in the worst case scenario will be manual). Housing stock will then all of a sudden be sufficient.

The tangents this can go in are totally unknowable. The good news is AI can model it for us ? ! ?