TAL-Pha Released! Alpha Juno II Emulation from TAL-Software

[abi]

€75.66 intro' price. A bit too much for me.

For me too. As an owner of J-8, UNO-60, Bassline, Tal-Mod and Sampler, I would like to see a loyalty bonus.

[jamcat]

I agree that Patrick does not need any help from Martin on a JX-8P. PG-8X is less accurate to a JX-8P than TAL-Pha is to an Alpha Juno. Plus the Alpha Juno and JX-8P came out at the same time and are closely related, so Patrick already has a strong foundation to start from. And finally, Martin has been making bad faith promises to transfer/open source/resume PG-8X for the past decade(!) that have gone nowhere. You would have to be beyond a fool to enter into talks with him over it at this point.

Overall I agree with you, and sincerely hope Patrick decides to tackle the JX-10. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that "PG-8X is less accurate to a JX-8P than TAL-Pha is to an Alpha Juno" though. PG-8X sounds _exactly_ like the JX-8P to me, patch by patch. I'm assuming your statement is just more of a 'gut reaction' than any real test, though (same as my conclusions; I haven't done any sort of test). I think both are excellent emulations.

No, my gut reaction was that it sounded exactly like the JX-8P, but upon direct comparison of imported factory patches in PG-8X to the same on JX-8P, I found them to be a little off. They’re close, but there’s no way you would think they’re the same machine, unlike TAL-Pha.

For example, comparing HI STRINGS in PG-8X and JX-8P, PG-8X is a bit duller and the sustain is a little off, if I recall. It’s like this across all the presets. Close, but not exact.

[himalaya]

People wanting Patrick to emulate the JX8P/JX10/MKS70...well I have the MKS-70 sitting in my rack, so all he has to do is move from Switzerland to London and come and model it over here.

MKS-70_Electric-Himalaya studio.jpg

[chk071]

Would be nice if he did the JX-8P. More interesting architecture than this.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

You'd think that with how some of us KVRers want to throw our money at a proper JX-8P emulation, that some developer would be jumping all over it. Whoever does it, it can't be a rush job, it has to be more accurate than the already super accurate and free PG-8X, they have to absolutely nail the chorus, and they better not even think about not including sysex support. Cherry audio, stay away. But Softube, TAL, Arturia...let's go.

[ReiKru]

€75.66 intro' price. A bit too much for me.

I would have paid 100 euros or more to made my dreams come true

[jamcat]

Same here if it was bundled with TAL-JX-8P

[himalaya]

Would be nice if he did the JX-8P. More interesting architecture than this.

Tal already has a brilliant Roland poly-synth with a sound engine architecture that is truly iconic, and it is the emulation of the Roland Jupiter-8, the J-8.

It would be a little weird to model the JX-8P immediately after the Jupiter-8 emulation, since the JX-8P is really an inferior synth compared to the Jupiter-8. What would be the benefit of spending lots of money (buying the hardware) and spending time modelling an inferior cousin to the Jupiter-8 which Tal has recreated so well? If one desires some of the classic poly-synth sounds of the 1980s, just grab Tal's J-8.

However, the Juno-2 recreation, really brings an alternative sonic palette and extends the Tal product catalogue very nicely. It's not a Jupiter-8, nor the SH-101, or Juno 6. It's unique. Whereas, JX8P is that crossover synth that tried to bring Jupiter-8 to the future and compete with Yamaha DX-7 but in doing so failed at what made Jupiter-8 so special and yet didn't reach into the DX7 sonic territory. I only ever use my MKS-70 (two JPX8 in one case) for pads and some big poly synth stabs/keys. And I make them on the spot and never save them (mostly due to the archaic tone/patch system that is deeply annoying, which by the way, Roland was in love for a long time since even my XP-80 has a similar system).

JP8X is weak sauce, but JX10/MKS-70 is much nicer since it's two JX8Ps in one box, so it's possible to make some huge pads, but then, the Jupiter-8, and Tal's J-8, is already capable of that and more!

[Vortifex]

Just me or is the delay sync not working properly? Most of the time it just kind of does its own thing. It'll speed up or slow down with the DAW, but won't actually be in sync. This is with spread at 0.

[chk071]

It would be a little weird to model the JX-8P immediately after the Jupiter-8 emulation, since the JX-8P is really an inferior synth compared to the Jupiter-8.

"Inferior" is pretty subjective. I always thought the Jupiter-8 is a pretty cold sounding analog synth.

[DNnX]

14 pages topic, I thought people were talking about how accurately it can emulate the hoover sound and its chorus

[sacer]

MPE is relay working GREAT on Talpha- nice

[jamcat]

It would be a little weird to model the JX-8P immediately after the Jupiter-8 emulation, since the JX-8P is really an inferior synth compared to the Jupiter-8.

But it would make perfect sense to model the JX-8P now after the Alpha Juno emulation.

[himalaya]

It would be a little weird to model the JX-8P immediately after the Jupiter-8 emulation, since the JX-8P is really an inferior synth compared to the Jupiter-8.

"Inferior" is pretty subjective. I always thought the Jupiter-8 is a pretty cold sounding analog synth.

The Jupiter-8 cold sounding? I've never heard that opinion before. Have you ever played a real Jupiter-8? And do you think the JX8P will give you more analogue 'warmth' with those DCOs?

What do you think makes the JX8P so enticing warranting an emulation, when the Jupiter-8 is already recreated by Tal?

I actually don't mind the DCOs in the MKS-70, it's a lovely sound. We might like or dislike the sound of the DCOs or VCOs so this is subjective.
But the actual specification of the JX8P only reveals facts of its largely inferior synth engine when compared to the Jupiter-8.

[mothra]

Cold and thin is about the only thing I can think of after owning a JX-8P for a couple years. I had it sitting underneath a Juno 106, and I preferred the Juno for just about everything over the JX, except when I needed like a S/H LFO sound. I had the PG-800 too and granted I did not know anywhere near as much about sound design as I do 24+ years later, but I didn't miss it.

But then again, the one or two times I got to hands on an Alpha Juno 1 (also around the same time I owned the JX/106), I thought it was weak and 'digital' sounding and wrote it off. I took them off my Reverb watchlist when I bought this on Thursday.