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Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:39 am

scandipandy wrote:Welcome to my world. Sidechain exist. VST isn't compatible with them. Therefore it's out of date.

BAM! :-D

Meffy

2windy · Post by **2windy** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:45 am

I don't like celery.

Everybody here should now stop eating celery because of the above statement. Thank you.

FYI I don't want VST support in Reason (I have Orion for that), I actually like this piano roll

and I like the idea of the new mastering tools. I'm not a fanboy, Reason is second best to Orion.

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:07 am

xg2 wrote:Of course, if your friend has Garritan Personal Orchestra, or Plugsound, or Reaktor, then you can use those too. But with Reason you can't.

You can't?

Orbital Covert Ops: Deathshadow (Created with Garritan Personal Orchestra and Reason 2.5)

I've achieved the impossible, apparently!

- m

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:08 am

You're remarkleable!

Or maybe when xg2 said "you can't" what he really meant was "I can't."

Meffy

Scotrick · Post by **Scotrick** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:58 am

yeah, I'm a little puzzled by all of the anger directed at Reason... me? I tend to do most of my work only using Reason, but I do have Cubase SX, and before that I used Cubase VST for when I needed a vocal track or something... I don't quite get what Xg2 is so upset about... here's how I look at Reason... as if it IS a VST instrument... I mean, I know it isn't... but in Cubase, it basically operates as one... when I'm working on a 'song,' with my own sung vocals, and maybe some guitar, and then I want some keyboards, I can either use the B4, or Pro-53... or load Reason and have access to the electro-mechanical Refill with lots of great electric piano sounds... that were FREE, or if I want some orchestral sounds, those came with Reason 2.0, and there's lots of fun Refills available that have been put together by other Prop folks, I really like the Refill of ambient environment samples from Budapest...

I'm also one of those people who likes the fact that in the years I've used Reason 1.0 and 2.0 and 2.5 on both a Mac several different machines and a PC I built myself Reason has NEVER crashed

not once

I like that... whether or not it's because they don't allow VST or what, I don't care... I just like the fact that I can count on it...

And I too enjoy being able to go to the Props web site and download other Reason folks' .rps files... they're tiny, and it DOES make it easy to collaborate... sure, you can build a whole collaboration system using free software that you've downloaded and cobbled together, and if that's the way you want to work, more power to you, but why all of the grumpiness directed at people who just want to work another way?

to me, it's like standing on a rock and screaming at people who buy the color purple instead of mixing red and blue... chill the f**k out, some people are just different

let it go, and with that in mind, I'm cool with mr x's rants, they just puzzle me is all

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:21 am

He's upset because magazines (which?) all rant about Reason _all the time_ (I've yet to see it, but then again I only have about 25 issues of various music mags, hardly an extensive library), and hordes of people have been buying it in droves because they are idiots, stealing revenue from other struggling apps like Cubase, MSI, Logic, et al. Reason and its crippled paradigm are bringing not only VST technology, but the whole sequencer software industry to its knees.

And the end result is not only poor music that does not feature GPO (with only ONE notable exception in the world, EVER!), but also a walking horde of zombie-sheep that... er... walk around and do zombie things like... er... use Redrum! Those f'n automatons.....

I don't understand what's so elusive about his point?!

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:29 am

alabamian wrote:to me, it's like standing on a rock and screaming at people who buy the color purple instead of mixing red and blue... chill the f**k out, some people are just different

<DennisWeaver>There ya go! *tips hat*</DennisWeaver> I like that analogy.

Meffy

SARcazm · Post by **SARcazm** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:40 am

@ XG2:

I really can't see the relevence of your arguements to this discussion.

You obviously don't like Reason, so fine, don't buy it, there are many who do.

The Props have made a business decision in their model of Reason, and that doesn't include VST support. You seem to think that the company will fail because of that decision, but so what, that has nothing to do with you (unless on the small offchance you are a shareholder) so shut the f**k up.

When I create a track in Live, if I want to have drums, I can load redrum into Reason and rewire or load, say, Battery. If want to add a sampler I can add an NTXT module to the existing rewire connection or load, say another VST, Kontakt. Really, aside from the lesser CPU hit from using Reason, what is the f**king difference???

FunkyBunch · Post by **FunkyBunch** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:45 am

i think vsts are important because of live sequencing with reason (better mastering plugs and great synths). i can understand why propellerheads disable this feature
but on the other side its better to control all parameters from one prog.
a midi out for controlling extarnal equippment or vst's in a chainer rack with the matrix will be a fine expansion.

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:07 am

anopenscroll wrote:I don't know why its so hard for people to see what the Props think Reason is supposed to be: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/category/c512

You do know, that the predecessor of the Triton, namely the Trinity, had harddisk recording functionality, do you?

xg2 · Post by **xg2** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:58 am

vurt wrote:
xg2 wrote:Why can't people just admit they're wrong?

ok ill start the ball rolling
im sorry everybody i was wrong
xg2 is a c**t,and you were all right

Well argued...

I see you failed to address this point:
"(because just adding VST support to Reason would make it "unstable", whereas running ANOTHER app. with VST support is, of course, a lot more "stable", right?)"

Like I said, it's just like the SOS forum here - the same old aggressive, foul-mouthed individuals come back, with no logical debate, just swear words. Well done.

xg2 · Post by **xg2** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:01 am

jens wrote:What a prick!

Yet again, very cogently argued...

It's just like being at the SOS forum, all over again...

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:02 am

xg2 wrote:
vurt wrote:
xg2 wrote:Why can't people just admit they're wrong?

ok ill start the ball rolling
im sorry everybody i was wrong
xg2 is a c**t,and you were all right
Well argued...

I see you failed to address this point:
"(because just adding VST support to Reason would make it "unstable", whereas running ANOTHER app. with VST support is, of course, a lot more "stable", right?)"

Like I said, it's just like the SOS forum here - the same old aggressive, foul-mouthed individuals come back, with no logical debate, just swear words. Well done.

piss off wanker

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:04 am

vurt wrote:Welcome to my world. Xg2 exists.he is however noncompatible so will have to be [deleted]

And there it is... the first death threat

xg2 · Post by **xg2** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:15 am

SARcazm wrote:@ XG2:

I really can't see the relevence of your arguements to this discussion.

Yes, isn't it amusing how none of you can actually refute any of them? Just look at the last two pathetic pages of 'responses' - nothing but personal insults.
Hardly proves your point, does it?

You obviously don't like Reason, so fine, don't buy it, there are many who do.

And?
How does any of that negate anything I've said against Reason?

Notice how we always get the same old bull from Reason lovers:
1: "Why don't you spend more time making music instead of writing on this forum?"
2: "If YOU don't like Reason, so what? We do!"
3: "Shut the f**k up. Stop talking about it. Pretend the problems don't exist."
4: "Swear, swear, insult, insult."

All very impressive...

The Props have made a business decision in their model of Reason, and that doesn't include VST support. You seem to think that the company will fail because of that decision, but so what, that has nothing to do with you (unless on the small offchance you are a shareholder) so shut the f**k up.

Oh, I see! It has nothing to do with me! "So shut the f**k up"!
Well argued yet again!
What if the 'Props' made a business decision that didn't include stereo output, and you had to wire two instances of Reason together to get it - would you think that's okay? Probably...

When I create a track in Live, if I want to have drums, I can load redrum into Reason and rewire or load, say, Battery.

And for those of us who are intelligent, who want to use only ONE app. at a time?

Funny how you can't address this little problem.
You say Reason doesn't offer VST support because it would "make it less stable" (yeah, right), yet you think your system is MORE stable running Reason AND another app. with those 'unstable' VSTs?

I don't think so.
Just admit it - Reason is out of date.

If want to add a sampler I can add an NTXT module to the existing rewire connection or load, say another VST, Kontakt. Really, aside from the lesser CPU hit from using Reason, what is the f**king difference???

You've said it all right there.

"what is the f**king difference???"

The fact that you can't tell the difference between having to BUY two apps. to do what ONE app. should have done in the first place, shows what a Reason zealot you are...

It's time for REASON 3 beta testing ...