How do YOU feel about your music being pirated?

[tetraplan]

so kaden, if its ok to use 'duplicated' mp3s because 'that's the way it is', what about other software ?

is it also ok to use 'duplicated' (ie warez) versions of synths and hosts ?

if not then then i'm very interested to know how you make the ethical distinction.

OK, this thread has just turned into an infinite loop. Can anybody tell me if this is an ordinary loop, or a more exotic one (I'm thinking Möbius loop)?

Groet, Erik

[Hink]

so kaden, if its ok to use 'duplicated' mp3s because 'that's the way it is', what about other software ?

is it also ok to use 'duplicated' (ie warez) versions of synths and hosts ?

if not then then i'm very interested to know how you make the ethical distinction.

OK, this thread has just turned into an infinite loop. Can anybody tell me if this is an ordinary loop, or a more exotic one (I'm thinking Möbius loop)?

Groet, Erik

I agree, but it's a sad loop, more like a quagmire...

[Lex Lucid]

in the fight against music piracy i put my own stuff on p2p networks under titles like "maddonas new album" or "britney" the amount of people who downloaded a 72 minute sine wave instead of oops i did it again made me chuckle

that's very commendable of you. I hope my sister downloads one of those tracks and blows her speakers so that she'll stop blasting that stuff all of the time. I'm gonna do that for that Black Eyed Peas song "Let's Get Retarded" (which was so brilliantly played at the Democrat Convention last year).

[kaden]

if its ok to use 'duplicated' mp3s because 'that's the way it is', what about other software ?

What the f**k is wrong with you? Were you dropped on your head as a child, resulting in impaired comprehension of the written word, or are ya just too *lazy* to actually read what I said?

Where did I say it's ok to use duplicated mp3s? What do wares have to do with it?

My point is that (regardless of one's position on STEEEEALING) the industry no longer works the way it used to. How are you going to adapt to this change?

No ethics, no morals. Reality. The way it is, for what ever reason. How will *you* adapt?

It's a simple question. Whining about what caused the situation is not a viable answer. If you think it is, you are wrong.

K

[herodotus]

OK, this thread has just turned into an infinite loop. Can anybody tell me if this is an ordinary loop, or a more exotic one (I'm thinking Möbius loop)?

No, a Mobius loop is interesting.

This: is a mobius loop.

[tetraplan]

OK, this thread has just turned into an infinite loop. Can anybody tell me if this is an ordinary loop, or a more exotic one (I'm thinking Möbius loop)?

No, a Mobius loop is interesting.

That's a very good point.

Groet, Erik

[BONES]

Get over it. Things changed. Wasn't my fault...wasn't *anyone's* fault.

What's changed? It was stealing 20 years ago and its still stealing now. That is the reality. What you're suggesting is that I should accept that it is OK to steal. Fortunately or otherwise, I was brought up much better than that.

Now we have to live with it, and the best you can come up with is "But it's STEEEEEALING."

Don't take my word for it, talk to a judge. While you're at it, can you explain precisely why we have to live with it? Because, as you noted, I'm a little dim and I can't think of one reason why I have to live with it at all.

Great. True creativity combined with a solid grasp of the big picture. You're an inspiration to us all.

Luckily, some of us don't subscribe to the "if rape is inevitable, just lay back and enjoy it" theory of life. Some of us actually feel that there are things worth fighting for and if that also happens to benefit someone [or something] that we may not exactly approve of, that is never going to stop us from doing what is clearly the right thing, especially when said someone/something is in a much better position to do something about it than we are.
I can only assume that your attitude indicates that you have no love of music, that you see it as something intrinsicly worthless.

[herodotus]

I can't think of one reason why I have to live with it at all.

You have found a way to stop it?

[Cabinfever]

i have to laugh at the teenage-minds that go nuts all through this thread. especially 'kaden'. the attitude of "i'll have my music for free" reminds me so much of the little rich boy attitude of "the world owes me a living".

it is the primary reason why everything i do musically is targeted at the over 35 market. that way i avoid most of the sponging, thieving little gits that get off on p2p.

older people (in general) tend to have some ethics and moral values. since they've usually worked hard for a few years they know the value of work.

[BONES]

You have found a way to stop it?

As I suggested, its just a matter of will. If police took it seriously, as they do with physical pirated merchandise, then it could hammer home the point well enough to stop people doing it. People only do it now because they believe that they are not doing anything wrong. Wait until a few of their friends are hauled into court and ordered to pay damages and see if their attitude doesn't change.
Work colleagues of mine are addicted to downloading movies or buying cheapo pirated discs in Asia. They know its wrong and they know it hurts the industry in which they work but they just can't help themsleves because there is absolutely no chance of anything happenning to them. Even if the're caught with half a suitcase full when they come home they know they'll just be confiscated. All it would take is for someone they know to cop a huge fine and they would stop cold turkey, guaranteed.
Cabinfever, these people of whom I speak are in their late 30's so you can't assume that the're attitude is any different to a school kid, who at least has the [pathetic] excuse that they can't afford to buy a lot of music.

[djpipe]

it is the primary reason why everything i do musically is targeted at the over 35 market. that way i avoid most of the sponging, thieving little gits that get off on p2p.

older people (in general) tend to have some ethics and moral values. since they've usually worked hard for a few years they know the value of work.

Well, people above 35 don't steal music because they quite simply don't know how! Plus they have money. Lots of it.
Seriously, I talked to a big producer the other day and that's what he told me: "Nowadays we're only interested in music aimed at older people because they don't know how to download mp3's from the Net". Great, hey?

[whyterabbyt]

Interesting thread on fabricating technology at Slashdot.

Fabricators are coming. Soon people will have machines which can duplicate the stuff you'd make by hand. Your physical products will be copied and shared. Adapt or die?

http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?si ... 13/2118258

[Link-Devine-Machine]

"Nowadays we're only interested in music aimed at older people because they don't know how to download mp3's from the Net". Great, hey? Rolling Eyes

LOL

Does it mean p2p result is more tribute bands ?

[dystonia_ek]

For some intelligent discussion on copyright, fair use, intellectual property and related issues, see http://www.negativland.com/intprop.html - this is not a black and white issue, no matter how much everyone would like it to be.

All Kaden was trying to point out is that we're in the middle of a major transition in the nature of media and its means of distribution, and that you can't just put the genie back in the bottle - this is a simple statement of fact, and I don't see how arguing morality addresses this.

Like Bones, I have an attachment to physical media, but I don't believe that they'll ever completely disappear - the niche markets that have always thrived on the love of the collector for their fetish object of choice will always be with us, even after its abandonment by the mass market. If anything it'll simply drive the market value of th physical media up, as often occurs with specialty items of one sort or another, which certainly has economic benefits for the producers and distributors of said media. The mainstream will inevitably evolve away from this though, and it's useless fighting it. The solution is to turn away from the mainstream and develop the margins.

Just my $0.02, and not as complete or clear as I'd like.

older people (in general) tend to have some ethics and moral values.

Morality is what people turn to when they no longer have a leg to stand on, and has no place in a rational debate. I'm 36, which is perhaps not 'old', and I have a value system that I believe is very well thought-out (and always evolving), but it's certainly not based on anything as ephemeral and irrational as 'morality'.

[shamann]

...reminds me so much of the little rich boy attitude of "the world owes me a living"...older people (in general) tend to have some ethics and moral values. since they've usually worked hard for a few years they know the value of work.

I think if you looked a bit closer on both counts, Kaden was saying the exact opposite to "the world owes me a living" and that he is in fact above your age requirements for being "an older person".

Food for thought.