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bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:50 pm

Left Headphone wrote:You have the typical Southern white view of black people.

But not all Southern whites share you bias views... Thank God...

glad you added that!

fabi · Post by **fabi** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:32 am

Jokes and nothing

Jokes and
nothing

but

how many
light
bulbs does it take to change
people does it take to change
god.

How many gods does it take to make a bulb bright.
How many black lights does it take to light a dark world.

How many words
does it take
to turn
a poem
into
pulp.

How many black eyes
does a nigger need
till he will
be able to see
his right place
in civilized
suici
ety?

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:49 am

you done made your mama proud with that post now stop sittin on her face

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:26 am

I wonder what ever happened to the 'Black Innovation' thread they will ask...

Apparition · Post by **Apparition** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:38 am

Heh, this whole post was sad, the whole black/white shit is old as dirt. Music belongs to everybody, don't care who started it. I'd be damned if one of my "bruthas" told me i was white for not listenin rap but to rock or foreign music (which i do). But I guess it boils down to human nature. People aren't satisfied till then can catagorize somethin or somebody.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:10 am

to me it's crazy how even with the racist comments in this thread that alot of folks can't see what soulkraka is talking about, it's really sad cause it's right in front of your face.

fabi · Post by **fabi** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:36 pm

you mean the ones in the vein of 'whitey wouldn't have gotten past 2step if it wasn't for blacky'?

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:29 pm

Hmmm... something that doesn't seem to have been said here is that possibly innovation has more to do with social conditions and (immediate and local) cultural history - ie good music (often) tends to come from people in poor as hell inner city areas whose parents also listened to innovative music. Since in America there seems to be a fair tendancy for social conditions and skin colour to correlate (due to the poverty trap, discrimination and so on) this gives the impression that black music is the sole (soul?) source of innovation. In the UK, where there's more racial mixture in the inner cities, you get a lot of innovative multiracial scenes, like 2 Tone, hardcore / jungle, UK garage, grime and so on.

Interesting fact: reggae parties in london used to be called shabeens, from a gaelic word for dodgy beer, because they were attended by Irish immigrants who were, at the time, as much of an 'underclass' as the jamaicans.

Oh, and the best thing about Urban music is the implied existence of Rural music - anyone for the Wurzels?

pooshka · Post by **pooshka** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:37 pm

DWb - I commented on the 'social condition' earlier. To sumamrise the long post I made;

I see 2 major social conditions under which blacks in US have been able to be more 'innovative'

1) They were less integrated into established capitalist culture industry untill much later

2) Blacks in US were uprooted from their own traditional/historical/cultural background when they got moved to America - i.e.

a) they had less restrictions of 'tradition' on developing their own (new) culture (e.g. 'black innovations' talked about here are mostly black innovations that happened in US, not in Africa)

b) They were not integrated into the main stream american culture of the time - hence it makes more sense that they went off on their 'own' direction rather than going along with the existing mainstream 'white culture' of the time.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:57 pm

notice this whole post was about men?

forget the fact that two women for better or worse completely shook up the music industry in the 80s and 90s....

oh yeah and they were white too but still...

Cordelia wrote:It would be nice if race weren't an issue with regards to music, I know it isn't an issue to most musicians I know.
But in the U.S. music industry, especially in radio, it is a BIG issue. Most U.S. "urban" stations (those owned by Viacom and Clear Channel for example) have a policy officially called "putting a black face" on urban radio.
What that means is, black artists are allotted a finite amount of airplay time, while white artists like Eminem and Kid Rock who are creating "urban" music are given the bulk of the rotation, and the fees (independent promotion fees) normally demanded from record labels for spins are waived.
This is because the executives and program directors at these stations are trying to attract a young, white male, suburban audience, and they truly believe that if not for white rappers, young American males would not tune in. Whether or not that assumption is based on statistical evidence, I'm not sure.
To sit down at dinner with executives from Viacom and Clear Channel is to take a trip waaay back in time. I have been absolutely shocked by their blatant and unapologetic racism.
So, the road to airplay for a black rapper in the U.S. is a long, hard, expensive one, but a white male artist creating "black" music is seen as a savior.
Soulkraka, I'm sorry you feel invisible, but you're right- Elvis, Glenn Miller, Eminem, the Beastie Boys.. This is not a random pattern. Racism in the U.S. music industry is institutionalized, it's far uglier than most of us could imagine.
So, what's the next new thing? I don't know, but I do know we won't hear much of it on U.S. radio until a white boys mimics it, waters it down, makes it more appealing to young white males, and by then it won't really be new at all.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:59 pm

From oppression comes innovation..

From oppression comes a sense of, having nothing to loose.

From that freewheeling spirit comes risks that while scaring the hell out of record companies garner an audience and ultimately companies seeing the bottom line line up to promote whatever this new thing is...

Maybe the next big thing is Homohop....

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:01 pm

Buddhism 101 Lady J?

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:01 pm

Lady J wrote:notice this whole post was about men?

instead of about you?

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:05 pm

Andrew Vernon wrote:Buddhism 101 Lady J?

what can i say. after returning from the east i am re-energized and reconnected with my Buddhist teachings and i find that by following them and seeing the world through them all sort of positive things are happening and i am better able to cope with the perceived negative (even tough that is a discrimination i like to avoid cause often the negative turns out to be a positive).

i dont worry so much about what this or that is, who owns what. how much, etc

its all about helping bring more art and beauty into the world to help more people who could use it.
small discriminations like colour a Buddha does not make.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:09 pm

I want to go live in a monastery for a while and get some buddhism in my balls.

Black innovation?