Spire Synthesizer

[Gadget Fiend]

Typical low-rent KVR babble. "My shitty synth plugins sound as good as your hardware synths (which I can't afford)." Don't make me laugh.

What's shitty is your condescending bullcrap. What's the matter? Mods over at Steinberg.net straightened you out so you come here to spread your old-mannish disgruntlement with society for whatever sick reasoning you have. So take your hardware and stuff it up your ass if that's what you want to do. Then leave. You don't belong here. It's obvious. We get it. You don't like software synths. So, why else would you be here. To talk shit because you are miserable. We like softsynths. You seem to have a deep rooted problem with that. You should see a doctor about that. Let me take a wild guess, you're probably one of those people who despise Avicii and David Guetta and other "modern musicians" like them who could buy your pathetic little soul if they so desired with the money they make "hitting one note" as you so referred. Ok, Superman, you're a much more successful musician than they could ever imagine to be almighty Gadget Fiend! We bow to you the king of misery and we are all just lower than you. Right? Feel better now? Please have mercy on us peasants who use such inferior music production tools. Please forgive us almighty shit!!!


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The claim that "softsynths sound as good as their hardware equivalents" is a laughably absurd and objectively false statement that anyone who has any experience with hardware knows to be the case.

Because this is an indefensible claim, the people spouting such nonsense then try to change the argument to "I don't need hardware to write great songs" (of course not) or in true "butt hurt" fashion resort to personal attacks.

You, King Butt Hurt, have chosen the latter. Low-rent KVR indeed. Instead of attacking me personally, why don't you point out one softsynth that sounds better than its hardware equivalent in the list above. Oh wait, you can't because that softsynth doesn't exist. So maybe just shut the f$ck up instead?

Oh and btw, Avicii and Dave Guetta are no-talent tools. (Again, just stating the obvious here.) The fact that people have willingly given these charlatans their money like so many stooges and fools is just a testament to people's ignorance, bad taste, and absence of any artistic vision or integrity.

[izonin]

I've got an i7 860 and Spire works fine for me. Some patches might go up to 20% CPU (but I think that's just 20% of one core) with a four note chord, but I've never had any problems.

It obviously doesn't run well on Mac. The PC version isn't that CPU hungry.

[pdxindy]

why don't you point out one softsynth that sounds better than its hardware equivalent in the list above. Oh wait, you can't because that softsynth doesn't exist.

Better by what measure? And is better necessary? How about good enough?

Hans Zimmer has used Zebra in lots of movie soundtracks. He is obviously not 'low-rent KVR' and has lots of hardware synths and can afford anything out there 100 times over. There are numerous such examples.

[trimph1]

why don't you point out one softsynth that sounds better than its hardware equivalent in the list above. Oh wait, you can't because that softsynth doesn't exist.

Better by what measure? And is better necessary? How about good enough?

Hans Zimmer has used Zebra in lots of movie soundtracks. He is obviously not 'low-rent KVR' and has lots of hardware synths and can afford anything out there 100 times over. There are numerous such examples.

There is but gadget fiend knows the truth.

He has no measure to go by except his own system which is that hardware is better than software.

I still say both are really good for broadening one's sound pallette.

[Nielzie]

Forgive my KVRTardish low level and humble ingnorance, but isn't a lot of (digital) hardware these days not much more than a software engine wrapped up in a nice dedicated hardware controller?

[Gadget Fiend]

There is but gadget fiend knows the truth.

He has no measure to go by except his own system which is that hardware is better than software.

I still say both are really good for broadening one's sound pallette.

The "system" I have to go by is the extensive collection of hardware synths in my studio. I also own most of the popular softsynths. So I am in a position to compare the two directly (unlike the person who doesn't even know what an MKS-80 is). So I can tell you with some authority that the plugins sound really thin and weak by comparison. This isn't to say that plugins don't have their uses, especially when I'm traveling and want to work on my laptop. But even here, I'm far more likely to use samples of real synths for a better sound (and far less CPU consumption).

But whatever, it's your music. Use whatever you want. Just don't say that "softsynths sound as good as hardware." Or if you do, point out the one softsynth that sounds as good as its hardware equivalent in the categories I specified. I'm still waiting for someone to actually do that. Until then, all these comments are so much idle chatter and blowhard nonsense.

[valerian_777]

You better move on over to GS.

[trimph1]

There is but gadget fiend knows the truth.

He has no measure to go by except his own system which is that hardware is better than software.

I still say both are really good for broadening one's sound pallette.

The "system" I have to go by is the extensive collection of hardware synths in my studio. I also own most of the popular softsynths. So I am in a position to compare the two directly (unlike the person who doesn't even know what an MKS-80 is). So I can tell you with some authority that the plugins sound really thin and weak by comparison. This isn't to say that plugins don't have their uses, especially when I'm traveling and want to work on my laptop. But even here, I'm far more likely to use samples of real synths for a better sound (and far less CPU consumption).

But whatever, it's your music. Use whatever you want. Just don't say that "softsynths sound as good as hardware." Or if you do, point out the one softsynth that sounds as good as its hardware equivalent in the categories I specified. I'm still waiting for someone to actually do that. Until then, all these comments are so much idle chatter and blowhard nonsense.

You are not a very smart individual. In my collection of hardware I have a EMS VCS3, ARP 2600, Moog Voyager and MS20 plus Minimoog, Arturia Minibrute(3), Buchla 200e and my own hand built modular.

Maybe I am too low rent to you, king of kings.

[aMUSEd]

Just trying the demo (finally) - the filter is first class. But I find the selection of waveforms rather limited and also a bit strange. No way to add more?

[Gadget Fiend]

You are not a very smart individual. In my collection of hardware I have a EMS VCS3, ARP 2600, Moog Voyager and MS20 plus Minimoog, Arturia Minibrute(3), Buchla 200e and my own hand built modular.

Maybe I am too low rent to you, king of kings.

"Smart" starts with first making sense and then moving on to higher order critical reasoning skills. You have clearly failed on both counts.

Not sure what your point is. If you do in fact own the gear you mention and yet for some inexplicable reason think that synth plugins sound just as good, then 1) Consider selling or donating these vintage synths to others who are better equipped to make use of them 2) Also consider taking up a different hobby because your most important faculty in this regard (your sense of hearing) is obviously not up to the task (with your brain not performing much better)

Oh btw, I am STILL waiting for you to list one plugin that sounds as good as any of the synths you own. Either put up or shut up. It's that simple.

[filter303]

I don't know if you noticed that someone was kind enough to open a brand new thread just for you. Maybe it's better to continue this discussion there instead of polluting this Spire thread with stories of how superior your hardware synths are.

Enter the... The Gadget Fiend Challenge:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5985746

[t3toooo]

Hardware doesn't sound better but i think a (good) hardware peace of gear is superior over single plugins simply because it's completely engineered and aligned internally throughout the circuit.
Therefore It's (often) easier to dial up a usable sound using hardware than to archive a stellar sound with one plugin.

Using software you need to research and try a lot of different plugins.
Many plugins have their sweet spots and some features are missing in other plugins and the other way around,so that makes it much more complicated to find the right thing for the task.

Many modern plugins are superior over hardware in their own way,think of Massive of FM8,it's all over the place,not pure but often heavily processed,re sampled.

Now regarding Spire.

I demoed the latest version on a 2006 P4 3,8 ghz single core using Vista 32 and it doesn't take much CPU there.

My first surprising impression was that it is fun to play around,to program and it does sound indeed very "musically".
What i particularly like with Spire,after buying and some created presets later, is the Noise Oscillator, it seems to be much more "inside the sound" as opposed to most other soft synth's whereas the noise sounds like, well just a layer of noise on top.

I think (generally) Developers should vastly improve their noise algorithms and give much more attention to it.

Also other synth's tend to sound much more aliased with some weird patches,Spire does sound more noisy,that's nice.

[filter303]

Just trying the demo (finally) - the filter is first class. But I find the selection of waveforms rather limited and also a bit strange. No way to add more?

As a Spire user I have to agree with this one. Larger selection of waveforms would be really nice
as otherwise Spire has a lot of potential.

[V0RT3X]

my collection of hardware I have a EMS VCS3, ARP 2600, Moog Voyager and MS20 plus Minimoog, Arturia Minibrute(3), Buchla 200e :

Whoa ! I never knew you had a Buchla! How many modules?

[trimph1]

my collection of hardware I have a EMS VCS3, ARP 2600, Moog Voyager and MS20 plus Minimoog, Arturia Minibrute(3), Buchla 200e :

Whoa ! I never knew you had a Buchla! How many modules?

Pretty much the lot...