The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[K@rol]

I'm curious about CPU performance too...Ableton is a CPU hog

[Mushy Mushy]

I'm curious about CPU performance too...Ableton is a CPU hog

I find Live very CPU friendly.
I use it on my netbook.

[dsan@mail.com]

......But i don't care if it can write my music for me if it's missing fundamentals. We are talking the most basic of basic things here, come on Dan! Surely you get that.

But the thing is, it wouldn't matter so much if they had decent release times. Then i would think. cool, in a year it will do those things. But going simply by HISTORY and what has happened SO FAR, even if i am wrong in this, i *assume* it will be another three years minimum to get to a 1.5 or 2.0 release. I don't understand and i have tried to, how anyone has any faith in them. The way they approached the beta, the release.. and then to find out all these things lacking.. SURE.. it has fancy features.. so it's a specialist host.. once again, put it in the numerology/orion/fruity price range then.

It will be all the rage for a while, then like S1 people will sell it off in the MP in droves. I said it first, mark my words. (and mind you, i'd have S1 any day over this.. no comparison).

We have already seen with propellerheads that sandboxed plugins come with a very heavy performance penalty btw.

I am truly curious what bitwig's cpu usage will be like, and i will be doing hardcore dsp tests on it out of fascination regardless, as i am simply fascinated by performance testing.

That said, the other hosts are so far ahead, what they can do is add a couple of the bitwig features, cause their CORE is already so complete, and then beat it in every area. What't to say next logic or cubase won't do that? How can bitwig ever catch up?

I do understand your concerns. TBH Theo the only thing I see missing, for me and my work, is midi routing. I feel though that what it is bringing to the table cancels out what it is missing. But then my opinion is based on what my needs are. For another I can see how these missing features are relevant.

I never was much of a fan of Reason so I don't know the pluses and minuses of it. I stopped considering it (years back) when I realized it would not run 3rd party vst's and there were many at that time I had interest in.

I have taken a wait and see attitude about BWS. I think it will be a revolutionary DAW in some ways and I look forward to this. I think it will be more stable than any other DAW delivered to date. The cost of this we experience now - the waiting. I am concerned how this will impact on updates and future development and how quickly revisions will be delivered to paying customers.

As for MP, it is what it is and you could be right and I will remember you said it first .

People are selling in MP because they need funds or because they become disenchanted with something or for whatever their reasons. Some buy and sell because they like the feeling it gives them. I have never sold any piece of software I have ever purchased. If I become unhappy with a piece of software I toss it.

Some companies are doing exactly as you suggested - adding features. I assume it is because Bitwig has included the feature in their edition. Case in point: For eons Ableton stated they would not make Live to run on multiple monitors and look what took place recently.

I don't think we disagree Theo (or agree for that matter). I just wanted to put another perspective there in case anything may have been overlooked. Like I said, I'm waiting, patiently for Bitwig to arrive so I can see if it does what has been promised and, more importantly, is it the DAW for me. I'm not going to get excited about things because I'm still waiting for those DAW companies that already have my money to make good and deliver a stable bug free product without my having to pay for the honor of testing it for them.

You are correct in that the others could add features. Check out their features request lists on their forums. Some things have been there for years and are still not addressed. I doubt they ever will be.

I don't think Bitwig is interested in catching up. I see it more that they want to provide a stable working environment for the user of the product. But that's just my take on them.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

EDIT: I wanted to add that some features in BWS are advanced features that others could have already added if they wanted to. They have chosen not. I see BWS as a different DAW. The same as Cubase, Sonar and Live are different. Yes, I agree the all have the basics and I think BWS will have them too. I'm just waiting to see.

[Ogopogo]

But going simply by HISTORY and what has happened SO FAR, even if i am wrong in this, i *assume* it will be another three years minimum to get to a 1.5 or 2.0 release. I don't understand and i have tried to, how anyone has any faith in them.

Going by what, again? That they took a few years to write the daw in the first place?

Anybody know when exactly they started working on it btw?

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[K@rol]

But going simply by HISTORY and what has happened SO FAR, even if i am wrong in this, i *assume* it will be another three years minimum to get to a 1.5 or 2.0 release. I don't understand and i have tried to, how anyone has any faith in them.

Going by what, again? That they took a few years to write the daw in the first place?

Anybody know when exactly they started working on it btw?[/quote]

I have faith ,that BWS will be a great DAW- after some releases,but when it will be ??

[Ogopogo]

Going by their projected release date being two years late

What projected release date? The only one I have ever heard of was "want to get it out by this summer, but definitely this year." They haven't gone past that. The only thing they said back then was "coming soon." It may sound like apologetics but that's a relative term. This has been gone over a lot. They announced to start building hype and get beta testers it seems.

[Ogopogo]

Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see what happens to them as a company. Ableton has more than two or three features to tack on to eclipse Bitwig. I see no reason to believe they are slow or incompetent, on the contrary they seem quite talented and aware of what people need so my guess is that the routing stuff will be sorted shortly. Personally it has what I want so gimme gimme gimme now.

[dsan@mail.com]

Patience Grasshopper

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[The Mantra]

@TheoM
"Epic fail" guy rite on time.
I find it interesting how people talk about bitwig 1.0 development time but ignore that Live 9 took 4 years to come and barley added anything to workflow.

I don't understand why your so emotional about Bitwig and it's perceived failures but it does raise some questions about why exactly it is that your here in this thread "preaching the gospel" instead of the thread of you DAW of choice being positive, having fun and making music.

I dislike Reaper and DP but you wouldn't know it because I don't waste my time on the internet reading threads dedicated to things I don't even like.

[ThomasHelzle]

@TheoM
"Epic fail" guy rite on time.
I find it interesting how people talk about bitwig 1.0 development time but ignore that Live 9 took 4 years to come and barley added anything to workflow.

I don't understand why your so emotional about Bitwig and it's perceived failures but it does raise some questions about why exactly it is that your here in this thread "preaching the gospel" instead of the thread of you DAW of choice being positive, having fun and making music.

I dislike Reaper and DP but you wouldn't know it because I don't waste my time on the internet reading threads dedicated to things I don't even like.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[LawrenceF]

Ya. It's maybe not even taking longer to develop from scratch than what's normal or typical, no clue.. It's maybe more that they just let "enthusiasm cat" out of the cage a year too early, which might have warped the perception of all that.

If we'd never even heard of Bitwig until say, earlier this summer, it would never come up, but it still would have taken the same amount of time to get there.

[The Mantra]

Shhhht! We're just finishing the next beta milestone over here at the lab and among other things, it includes our arpeggiator and also deals with the midi output of VSTs. There won't be extensive routing options between tracks etc. for this in version 1.0, as it just passes the note output on to the next device, but obviously there are already a lot of nice ideas for upcoming versions in the drawer, just waiting to be implemented...

Cheers,
Dom

Nope, not for the initial release... but to me this is one of the most important things that are missing in the 1.0, so I doubt we will not implement it before 2.0.

Cheers,
Dom

Dev communication is one of the main things I take into consideration when deciding if If I want to make a commitment to a piece of software.
Its very reassuring to know where devs stand on important issues.

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@TheoM
"Epic fail" guy rite on time.
I find it interesting how people talk about bitwig 1.0 development time but ignore that Live 9 took 4 years to come and barley added anything to workflow.

I don't understand why your so emotional about Bitwig and it's perceived failures but it does raise some questions about why exactly it is that your here in this thread "preaching the gospel" instead of the thread of you DAW of choice being positive, having fun and making music.

I dislike Reaper and DP but you wouldn't know it because I don't waste my time on the internet reading threads dedicated to things I don't even like.

Just as I have no idea why my posts bother you or your even wasting the time to say so when you could be being positive, having fun and making music.

I don't need to explain myself to you, so I won't. I was interested in bitwig, now I'm not. There's nothing wrong with the developers knowing why they lost a customer. That's what forums a for sometimes, opinions, whether good or bad. I think bitwig is a joke.

Are you beta-testing it?