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[otristan]

Any chance you guys would consider (or are considering) an MPE mode? I just got a Roli Rise and this would be a great software to be able to control using a Midi-Per-Channel mode!

Please see
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2#p6317632

[otristan]

I fail to see the use of Chorder + legato.
Chorder means always play chords and legato means solo instrument.

Script cannot always be chained easily depending on what they do, this is especially true for scripts like legato.

What are you trying to actually achieve ?

Thanks,

Sorry. All this time I meant portamento.

I do not want to accidentally play two chords. Moreover, I want to portamento works for chords from Chorder script.

I think you should probably first load the legato script THEN chorder?

Of course. I understand it

What about using "poly portamento" in Layer mode ?

[mrfrenkie]

What about using "poly portamento" in Layer mode ?

It does not work as expected... Accord misrepresents himself.

Ok. I understand. Seems portamento for chords is impossible in principle - only through the MPE in the piano roll. But I still can not get portamento for unison script. By the way this script needs a parameter stereo spread. Please, see short video about my problem.



I want to give up the NI Kontakt

[otristan]

Check Layer Unison voices (with related modulation sources) and layer play mode and glide time.
This is way nicer (and more powerful) than relying on a script as we have something bundled in the engine to do that.

[mrfrenkie]

Check Layer Unison voices (with related modulation sources) and layer play mode and glide time.
This is way nicer (and more powerful) than relying on a script as we have something bundled in the engine to do that.

Yeah! It works! Thank you, Olivier!

upd: It would be great when we add the voices, the volume was reduced to -6db.

upd2: And the window for selecting number of votes would be less sensitive for mouse

[EvilDragon]

Reduce the volume yourself. I don't like such automatic adjustments.

[UmFuFu]

Any chance you guys would consider (or are considering) an MPE mode? I just got a Roli Rise and this would be a great software to be able to control using a Midi-Per-Channel mode!

Please see
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2#p6317632

You guys are amazing, thank you!!

A few questions/comments about the script:
The script comments say:
-- map x to pitch, z to gain by default (can be disabled)
-- and send x, y, z on ScriptEventModulations 0, 1, 2
But from my experimentation, pitch = ScriptEventModulations 2, and gain is 0, so they seem to be reversed no?

Also, just for my own documentation, is this correct?:
x = pitch = pitch bend
z = gain = aftertouch (not poly aftertouch)
y = expression = MIDI expression

And one small snag I've found while using Cubase/Nuendo. I find that my pitch bend automation needs a value point just AFTER the note is sent or else it isn't picked up. If there is only one value sent right when the note is triggered the script doesn't pick it up. Can you think of any possible reason for this?

THANKS AGAIN. This is great.

[Sampleconstruct]

Two Falcons using multi-sampled bowed Chinese opera samples, one of the patches in granular mode mixing in a model synth which also uses a stretched bowed cymbal with 100% key follow for the excitation of the resonances.

https://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/ ... falcon-air

[otristan]

A few questions/comments about the script:
The script comments say:
-- map x to pitch, z to gain by default (can be disabled)
-- and send x, y, z on ScriptEventModulations 0, 1, 2
But from my experimentation, pitch = ScriptEventModulations 2, and gain is 0, so they seem to be reversed no?

Also, just for my own documentation, is this correct?:
x = pitch = pitch bend
z = gain = aftertouch (not poly aftertouch)
y = expression = MIDI expression

Yep that's a typo in the comment
It should read "send x, y, z on ScriptEventModulations 2, 1, 0"

You are correct regarding your assumptions.

And one small snag I've found while using Cubase/Nuendo. I find that my pitch bend automation needs a value point just AFTER the note is sent or else it isn't picked up. If there is only one value sent right when the note is triggered the script doesn't pick it up. Can you think of any possible reason for this?

The pitch bend is currently only applied when received after the note on.
This is how devices works.

You can keep a running value for each channel though but not sure this follows the actual MPE specs
as each new note use a new channel value.

Just add this before onNote

Code: Select all

local bends[] = {}
for i=1, 16 do
	bends[i] = 0
end

then instead of

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local bend =0

use

Code: Select all

local bend = bends[ch]

and in onPitchBend, right after computing bend add

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bends[ch] = bend

[thetechnobear]

The pitch bend is currently only applied when received after the note on.
This is how devices works.

You can keep a running value for each channel though but not sure this follows the actual MPE specs
as each new note use a new channel value.

Im not sure if the MPE spec details this, I've not checked the latest release for this detail.

BUT Id expect most MPE controllers will send a PB just before the note-on...
the reason is, the pitchbend is (usually) not reset after a note-off, since you want the release to be still bent.
so therefore when you send a new note-on, you do not want to have that new note bent by what was previously left on the channel.
(also, if you are playing with notes unquantized then when the new note is sounded, it will be bent in advance to achieve the correct pitch when the note-on is received)

in this regard, the controller/MPE doesn't really ask the synth to make any decisions/interpretation, simply that it does what its told per channel... and the controller software will ensure its 'correct'

(id say the same is true of timbre/Y to for similar reasons... but Z/pressure I expect to be zero on note-off, or at least assuming note-off means pressure is now 0)

[otristan]

The problem is that MPE specs are quite vague regarding this IMHO.

Good things, it's quite easy to modify this script to implement different behavior

[EvilDragon]

MPE is still a prototype spec that's not fully completed, AFAIK. So of course there's gonna be some vagueness for the time being.

[otristan]

MPE is still a prototype spec that's not fully completed, AFAIK. So of course there's gonna be some vagueness for the time being.

Except that there are already devices using it

[EvilDragon]

True, so if there are some changes in the spec before it's official (which isn't unlikely), you can bet those devices will need some firmware updates

[thetechnobear]

MPE is still a prototype spec that's not fully completed, AFAIK. So of course there's gonna be some vagueness for the time being.

Except that there are already devices using it

... Continuum, Eigenharps, Soundplane, Roli Seaboards, Linnstrument all support it
(and yes, all get regular software/firmware updates... so updating once its been ratified by the MMA is really a non-issue)

indeed, it should be remembered that most of the MPEs concepts are not new...
really the only new bits are about setting the pitchbend range/activating MPE with controller zones.

the rest, and the real meat, voice per channel implementation for 3 axis has been around (at least) since the Continuum (prior to that from midi guitars?)... I think every expressive controller could already do this voice per channel/PB/Channel Pressure/CC74... and a global CC channel*.
(this was highlighted in the first draft of the MPE spec)

so really, its almost more documenting and getting some agreements on controllers.


from the MPE spec (newer version)

Applying pitch bend
Pitch bend on a note channel does not affect the sound of a note after its ‘note off’ message has been received: even notes that are kept active by a sustain pedal or a long release envelope. This allows rapid reuse of vacant channels, but also means that features that require continual access to pitch bend will cease to apply once a note has been released.
Conversely, zone master pitch bend must apply to every note that is still active: even those that have passed into their ‘note off’ phase and are sustained only by a pedal or a release envelope.
A new note must be affected by the last transmitted state of a channel’s pitch bend. The correct way to play a microtonal note is therefore to send a pitch bend message immediately before the first ‘note on’.