But no glide control then?msvs wrote:this is possible, just set the polyphony to 1/1. Avenger is true monophone nowAvenger has legato but missing mono midi that retriggers the envelope. Legato is mono but it doesnt retrigger
Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread
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- KVRian
- 1107 posts since 30 Jun, 2015
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286 - KVRAF
- 16753 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
Not my cup of tea really, it's been done to death.vanhaze wrote:Can you please add "glitchy sounds" : weird bleeps, zapps, whooshes, lasers etc.
Would be great !
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- KVRian
- 623 posts since 19 Feb, 2011
Sampleconstruct wrote:Actually Nicole from Venegance got back to me at 11 pm via e-mail, but I was already asleep.nordickvr wrote:I'de say that they didn't have much sleeping time if any recently.Ryan99 wrote:Almost midnight. I guess they must be sleeping. Sigh...goleat wrote:Give them a break...Sampleconstruct wrote: Contacted their billing support but on Saturday night no one will be there I guess. Sigh...
Sampleconstruct wrote:Improvising live on video with a custom Avenger patch using two oscillators, one with a re-syntheiszed guitar wavetable and the other using the FFT oscillator.
That bass-sound starting @ 0:16 min is outstanding... gave me the willies..
(Please share .. or sell, or explain it on UTube. Please.
I really would like to know more.. (<- Starship-Troopers quote)
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- KVRAF
- 2990 posts since 13 Apr, 2008 from Charleston, SC
That is likely "linked" thinking. Nexus expansions run $60 or so each. I believe they view them as ROMs or expansions rather than simply soundsets. Of course having a well-developed genre specific set of sounds at your fingertips is awesome...for some (preset tweakers like myself). Others find it limiting and expensive.GMusic wrote:This absolutely blows Nexus out of the park, IMO. Love it. Why would I want to use Nexus anymore? Avenger gives me more control of sound, better GUI (modwheel, pitch bend, keyboard, and aesthetics), way more efficient preset browser.
The only thing is... $70 for expansions? Jeez.
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286
- KVRAF
- 16753 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
Explain later, will I. Yes, hmmm.Klinke1 wrote:
That bass-sound starting @ 0:16 min is outstanding... gave me the willies..
(Please share .. or sell, or explain it on UTube. Please.
I really would like to know more.. (<- Starship-Troopers quote)
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- KVRAF
- 6390 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
Good lord. Anyone who didn't know better would think Cocoa is the native GUI API in OS X.lolilol1975 wrote:Ah forgot about that. Still, it's an interesting coincidence that this API has two methods with the same name CocoaOpenGLView::doDraw() and CocoaOpenGLView::swapBuffers()EnGee wrote:Logic doesn't use VST
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- KVRAF
- 3418 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286
- KVRAF
- 16753 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
The dl link in the user account still links to version 1.0.22exmatproton wrote:No changelog, but 1.0.23 is released.
ECO modes: ECO - MID - HIGH <---
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
Yes, it´s not in the user account but i download it via the plug-in update message.
But the eco mode doesn´t help in any way. The fans are blowing like there is no tomorrow and my MacBook gets hot like the sun.
So as great as Avenger is i have to take it down and see if the GUI problems can be solved.
In the case it will not....is there a chance i could sell it. I saw in the FAQ that only software with hardware dongle can be sold but no software only things like expansions. Seems Avenger falls into this category
But the eco mode doesn´t help in any way. The fans are blowing like there is no tomorrow and my MacBook gets hot like the sun.
So as great as Avenger is i have to take it down and see if the GUI problems can be solved.
In the case it will not....is there a chance i could sell it. I saw in the FAQ that only software with hardware dongle can be sold but no software only things like expansions. Seems Avenger falls into this category
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 13 Feb, 2012
Wanted to give a review based my experience with Avenger so far for those thinking about buying. There is a lot of good and a lot of bad about this plugin at the moment - hoping Vengeance will be quick to fix the bad side of things here. This is a plugin that should still be in beta though.
First for the good;
-It sounds unbelievable and the quality of the included presets is probably the best of any synth plugin I've ever bought. With most synths I find maybe 1 or 2 presets to be inspiring or practically usable as-is out of every 10 or 15 I browse through...with Avenger it's actually hard to find sounds that aren't ready to be used in a track. Very different library from something like Omni 2 for example, but if you're after a plugin that can get you where you need to go quickly, this is the one.
-This is a synth that seems like it was thought of from a producer's point of view, not from that of a plugin designer. It saves you time. What I mean here is that there are a lot of features that you often have to dig for in other synths that are right in front of you here - Vibrato fade in being a good example. Some synths just don't even have this, and others hide it on some back panel. Here it's right there on the front of each oscillator.
-The Step Sequencer and Pitch envelope are really cool and can help you make some more lively sounding stuff very easily. The sequencer has some really cool presets, and when you use them at like 20% to modulate volume, you can get some really nice subtle modulation going on that just makes things move in a more organic way.
-Envelopes and filters sound very solid. Plucks can be VERY pluck-y and sharp. Filters have nice drive and overall tone.
-No syncrosoft dongle needed, computer based authorization. Hoping they move to this for their other plugins too, Vengeance/ReFX is the only reason I have to carry a Syncrosoft licenser with me.
Now for the bad;
-Like I said, this is a beta plugin. I do beta testing for a handful of companies so I'm familiar with what a beta release looks like, and what a release candidate should look like. This is hands down the most unstable release plugin I've ever used. I haven't had Ableton 9.7 crash in literally months (using everyday), and I had 5 crashes in a few hours last night, all from Avenger. Some issues;
•the plugin does not properly recall global transpose settings, making your patches sound very off after you reload a session. Kind of a big one here...
•many of the patches I tried have some weird panning and stereo imbalance stuff going on. one of the confusing things here is it's hard to figure out why everything is so stereo - many patches with no unison detune are super wide and stereo. while this seems good, the problem is many patches are significantly louder in the right channel than left. I kept having to pan my Live channel ~15 left to get things back to a proper stereo balance.
•the plugin does not properly recall step seq settings, repeatedly just making anything you've done there completely disappear.
•the plugin crashes routinely when using parts of the GUI.
•CPU is completely all over the place. It's not just a polyphony issue, as I tried limiting that on some patches. The optimization on some parts of this is just poor.
•I even got a crash on Avenger with the GUI closed. Inserting a Live native Midi Effect (Arp) on the Avenger channel caused a crash, which I've never seen with any plugin before.
It's unclear to me why this plugin is so unstable - I don't know if it wasn't tested enough or the company just needed to get it out before EOY. But some of the issues are literally just not possible to slip through beta testing/QA, so something went wrong here. These were obvious to me within using the plugin for 30 minutes.
-The EDM expansion is a joke at its current price. I do not plan on buying another expansion unless they release a patch list before you buy one, like they did for Nexus 2. I paid $70 for an expansion which has, I kid you not; 4 Pads, 1 Piano/Key Sound, 11 'Synth' Sounds, 7 Arps (there are more sounds included in other categories, but I just find this to be too few). I've got Sylenth banks from top designers that cost $30 that have 5x this many sounds. While the sounds are very usable, it's just not acceptable to charge people $70 for this. Manuel if you're reading this, I don't understand the thought process here. People who buy one expansion probably won't buy a second - this isn't a good way to get recurring revenue in the door.
-The buying situation is a bit shady, unclear if this is on Vengeance or on the payment processor they used. When you go to buy the plugin or expansions, it automatically adds these options (at additional cost) for 'download backups' and all this bs. On their Facebook page, Vengeance responded to a question about this and said users can always download their software, but there are definitely people out there who are gonna pay extra for this stuff for no reason.
Overall - ton of potential here to be one of the top synths on the market for electronic/pop producers, but needs some real work to get there.
First for the good;
-It sounds unbelievable and the quality of the included presets is probably the best of any synth plugin I've ever bought. With most synths I find maybe 1 or 2 presets to be inspiring or practically usable as-is out of every 10 or 15 I browse through...with Avenger it's actually hard to find sounds that aren't ready to be used in a track. Very different library from something like Omni 2 for example, but if you're after a plugin that can get you where you need to go quickly, this is the one.
-This is a synth that seems like it was thought of from a producer's point of view, not from that of a plugin designer. It saves you time. What I mean here is that there are a lot of features that you often have to dig for in other synths that are right in front of you here - Vibrato fade in being a good example. Some synths just don't even have this, and others hide it on some back panel. Here it's right there on the front of each oscillator.
-The Step Sequencer and Pitch envelope are really cool and can help you make some more lively sounding stuff very easily. The sequencer has some really cool presets, and when you use them at like 20% to modulate volume, you can get some really nice subtle modulation going on that just makes things move in a more organic way.
-Envelopes and filters sound very solid. Plucks can be VERY pluck-y and sharp. Filters have nice drive and overall tone.
-No syncrosoft dongle needed, computer based authorization. Hoping they move to this for their other plugins too, Vengeance/ReFX is the only reason I have to carry a Syncrosoft licenser with me.
Now for the bad;
-Like I said, this is a beta plugin. I do beta testing for a handful of companies so I'm familiar with what a beta release looks like, and what a release candidate should look like. This is hands down the most unstable release plugin I've ever used. I haven't had Ableton 9.7 crash in literally months (using everyday), and I had 5 crashes in a few hours last night, all from Avenger. Some issues;
•the plugin does not properly recall global transpose settings, making your patches sound very off after you reload a session. Kind of a big one here...
•many of the patches I tried have some weird panning and stereo imbalance stuff going on. one of the confusing things here is it's hard to figure out why everything is so stereo - many patches with no unison detune are super wide and stereo. while this seems good, the problem is many patches are significantly louder in the right channel than left. I kept having to pan my Live channel ~15 left to get things back to a proper stereo balance.
•the plugin does not properly recall step seq settings, repeatedly just making anything you've done there completely disappear.
•the plugin crashes routinely when using parts of the GUI.
•CPU is completely all over the place. It's not just a polyphony issue, as I tried limiting that on some patches. The optimization on some parts of this is just poor.
•I even got a crash on Avenger with the GUI closed. Inserting a Live native Midi Effect (Arp) on the Avenger channel caused a crash, which I've never seen with any plugin before.
It's unclear to me why this plugin is so unstable - I don't know if it wasn't tested enough or the company just needed to get it out before EOY. But some of the issues are literally just not possible to slip through beta testing/QA, so something went wrong here. These were obvious to me within using the plugin for 30 minutes.
-The EDM expansion is a joke at its current price. I do not plan on buying another expansion unless they release a patch list before you buy one, like they did for Nexus 2. I paid $70 for an expansion which has, I kid you not; 4 Pads, 1 Piano/Key Sound, 11 'Synth' Sounds, 7 Arps (there are more sounds included in other categories, but I just find this to be too few). I've got Sylenth banks from top designers that cost $30 that have 5x this many sounds. While the sounds are very usable, it's just not acceptable to charge people $70 for this. Manuel if you're reading this, I don't understand the thought process here. People who buy one expansion probably won't buy a second - this isn't a good way to get recurring revenue in the door.
-The buying situation is a bit shady, unclear if this is on Vengeance or on the payment processor they used. When you go to buy the plugin or expansions, it automatically adds these options (at additional cost) for 'download backups' and all this bs. On their Facebook page, Vengeance responded to a question about this and said users can always download their software, but there are definitely people out there who are gonna pay extra for this stuff for no reason.
Overall - ton of potential here to be one of the top synths on the market for electronic/pop producers, but needs some real work to get there.
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- KVRer
- 29 posts since 26 Sep, 2015
i am realy disappointed, update to 1.0.23 nothing happen, everything is the same
Fan go very high in macbook 15 Retina mid 2015 16 GB RAM 256 SSD i7 Quad Core
-ECO Mode is on nothing help,
-Cutting voice more than 1.0.22
-CPU Very High
- No multi output for the Drums you get max 3 output to Logic Pro and rest channels are dead
- Right click to show the source modulation is don't working at all
- lose 9% from my Macbook batterie in 3 Minutes, Never happen to me before with any program
-Clipping Sound
this Synthesizer is not usable for me at the moment
ich bin von Vengeance sounds enttäuscht
Fan go very high in macbook 15 Retina mid 2015 16 GB RAM 256 SSD i7 Quad Core
-ECO Mode is on nothing help,
-Cutting voice more than 1.0.22
-CPU Very High
- No multi output for the Drums you get max 3 output to Logic Pro and rest channels are dead
- Right click to show the source modulation is don't working at all
- lose 9% from my Macbook batterie in 3 Minutes, Never happen to me before with any program
-Clipping Sound
this Synthesizer is not usable for me at the moment
ich bin von Vengeance sounds enttäuscht
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- KVRist
- 283 posts since 22 Sep, 2015
On the website:DaveEdwards wrote:-The EDM expansion is a joke at its current price. I do not plan on buying another expansion unless they release a patch list before you buy one, like they did for Nexus 2. I paid $70 for an expansion which has, I kid you not; 4 Pads, 1 Piano/Key Sound, 11 'Synth' Sounds, 7 Arps.
"this expansion adds to your library:
-131 Avenger Presets
-26 new drumkits
-26 new drum sequences
-81 new multisamples
-41 new osc-shapes
-10 new wavetables"
Did you doublecheck everything installed correctly (would not be surprised if the import process is messed up, too)? Or did you just mean that some presets are so similar they wouldn't count as more than 1? Or is the website information just missleading?
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 13 Feb, 2012
Sorry I should clarify there and will edit the original post - what i listed is not all the expansion gives you, that's just how many sounds you get in those particular categories I listed. Seems very small to me.