Now you're just being a Troll...and revealing your ignorance as well.........move on.......izonin wrote: Exactly. He didn't spend time developing filters - he used generic ones. He didn't work on a smart solution to reduce aliasing without oversampling. Where is the effort here?
Diversion - new VST synth released!
- KVRAF
- 19787 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- KVRAF
- 5530 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
indeedTeksonik wrote:Now you're just being a Troll...and revealing your ignorance as well.........move on.......izonin wrote: Exactly. He didn't spend time developing filters - he used generic ones. He didn't work on a smart solution to reduce aliasing without oversampling. Where is the effort here?
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- KVRian
- 1172 posts since 6 Mar, 2004
I think bmanics only point was to point out that the filter doesn't sound good, to which everyone elses response was "a synth is not all about filters". Well, maybe not but he was only trying to tell you that in his opinion the filter doesn't sound good. 
- KVRAF
- 19787 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
And all I'm trying to say is in my opinion he's wrong. I like the filters. So now what? We keep hitting the ball back and forth across the net or the person who doesn't like the game can go find something else to play...........Liero wrote:I think bmanics only point was to point out that the filter doesn't sound good, to which everyone elses response was "a synth is not all about filters". Well, maybe not but he was only trying to tell you that in his opinion the filter doesn't sound good.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRian
- 788 posts since 18 Sep, 2010
That's rather insulting.Teksonik wrote:Why? Are you incapable of forming your own opinion? The only opinion that matters....good or bad....is your own. Even if for some reason you can't demo Diversion, I can't see using other people's opinions to make a decision whether to purchase or not....rj0 wrote:Especially for new products, I *want* to hear what people like and/or dislike about the product, especially the 'sound'.
I do have an opinion. I happen to *like* Diversion. Nothing about my post should suggest otherwise.
I feel like I gain perspective from rational discussions, even when the topic is something very subjective, allowing for both positive and negative opinions.
Why so defensive? And why such personal attacks?
Jumping to conclusions again. As said above, I 'do' like Diversion. I also like flexible synths.Teksonik wrote:Just as it makes no sense to me to continue participating in a thread about a synth you don't like....ElectraX was mentioned....I think it sounds like two cats fighting but I don't waste my time posting in ElectraX threads about it because the basic sound will not change....rj0 wrote: It makes no sense to exclude all but positive impressions.
So you're assuming everyone either loves or hates Diversion? Nothing in-between? And that filter variations don't matter? Not to mention (whoops, sorry just did) sches response to me regarding that very note?Teksonik wrote:From what I'm reading it's not subtle variations that are at issue here but the basic bones and flesh structure of the sound....if that changes to please those who don't like it then those who do like it will no longer find it appealing....in other words change the character and you'll simply flip the haters to lovers and lovers to haters....now is it technically possible to change Diversion's sound so it pleases everybody? What do you think the odds are of that being possible or practical?rj0 wrote:Besides, it's not like developers in the past haven't on occasion added more sonic flexibility to their synths by adding a couple of filter variations that allowed one to significantly change the character of the sound.
Diversion is a great synth with much promise.
Chill.
- KVRAF
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
Fwiw, I'm with the naysayers - to my ears the LPF sounds rather boxy and lifeless, worse at high resonance. And the raw oscillator, at least the sawtooth (!), somewhat lacking in body and presence. In comparison with Zebra's saw to achieve the same perceived volume Diversion has to push some 3dB's above Zebra.
Oh well...
Nicely laid out GUI and architecture.
Oh well...
Nicely laid out GUI and architecture.
- KVRAF
- 26931 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
your black and white summation is not even close to what was said by various people. Maybe try not speaking for others and speak for yourself. Otherwise it is an endless he said/she said with everyone interpreting what others are saying.Liero wrote:I think bmanics only point was to point out that the filter doesn't sound good, to which everyone elses response was "a synth is not all about filters". Well, maybe not but he was only trying to tell you that in his opinion the filter doesn't sound good.
- KVRAF
- 5530 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
pdxindy wrote:your black and white summation is not even close to what was said by various people. Maybe try not speaking for others and speak for yourself. Otherwise it is an endless he said/she said with everyone interpreting what others are saying.Liero wrote:I think bmanics only point was to point out that the filter doesn't sound good, to which everyone elses response was "a synth is not all about filters". Well, maybe not but he was only trying to tell you that in his opinion the filter doesn't sound good.

- KVRAF
- 26931 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I really enjoyed that movie... especially the carrotsIgro wrote:pdxindy wrote:your black and white summation is not even close to what was said by various people. Maybe try not speaking for others and speak for yourself. Otherwise it is an endless he said/she said with everyone interpreting what others are saying.Liero wrote:I think bmanics only point was to point out that the filter doesn't sound good, to which everyone elses response was "a synth is not all about filters". Well, maybe not but he was only trying to tell you that in his opinion the filter doesn't sound good.
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 10 Sep, 2003 from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden
... 3dB's..? Wow.hakey wrote:Fwiw, I'm with the naysayers - to my ears the LPF sounds rather boxy and lifeless, worse at high resonance. And the raw oscillator, at least the sawtooth (!), somewhat lacking in body and presence. In comparison with Zebra's saw to achieve the same perceived volume Diversion has to push some 3dB's above Zebra.
Oh well...
Nicely laid out GUI and architecture.
With that brilliant argument, i don't think the "naysayers" want you in their corner :p
"ohh what side to pick.. what side to pick?! Hmm.. Im going to go with the Naysayers team as the percieved volume is 3db's lower than Zebra!"
and if you find an osc to lack body and/or presence to YOUR ears.. try to move some parameters like x/y or change osc...?
Is there no troll moderation on this forum?
- KVRAF
- 19787 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
No it's brutally honest......there's a difference. Life sucks get a helmet.......rj0 wrote:That's rather insulting.
Jumping to conclusions that I was talking to you.....obviously the reference to ElectraX was not directed at you. Why so defensive?rj0 wrote: Jumping to conclusions again.
Good advice you should take it.......rj0 wrote:Chill.
Again this could go on forever.........to what end? It is what it is..........
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- KVRAF
- 19787 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
And therein lies the key word.......comparison.........why compare it to anything? It brings something new in my opinion and I have plans for it to serve proudly side by side with my Zebra 2 someday.........hakey wrote: In comparison with Zebra's.......
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- KVRAF
- 19787 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
Well we are getting close to the point where Meffy's going to step in....when Monkeys start to throw feces the lock can't be far behind.Crackbaby wrote:Is there no troll moderation on this forum?
Anyway I think it's a great synth that holds lots of potential....others disagree and life goes on......
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

