indistinguishable from hardware ??

[wwjd]

I personally think any sound that sounds good to your ears is a good sound, no matter how good the 'emulation' is, you can craft your own sound similar, but different at the same time.

This. For the Win. End of Thread.

Only reason I like certian emulations to seem close enough to accurate is so I don't have to BUY a real moog or a real arp and deal with the cost, constant repairs, lack of midi, lack of memory etc etc etc puke

I've found plenty that sound as good as hardware. Even some freeware ones.

[Urs]

I'm keeping my eyes open for an Odyssey. Haven't come across a good offer yet.

Sorry Urs I dont sell mine ( What a snobb I am )

Nor the one I bought recently either!

Well, I won't part from my collection anytime soon either - anxiously waiting for my "new" CS30 which is still being serviced (full recap and all)

Also, once we clear up the room ith all the boxes, we're gonna solder our own stuff. We've worked out a plan to pimp a Pro One into a Synthex voice.

[trimph1]

I'm keeping my eyes open for an Odyssey. Haven't come across a good offer yet.

Sorry Urs I dont sell mine ( What a snobb I am )

Nor the one I bought recently either!

Well, I won't part from my collection anytime soon either - anxiously waiting for my "new" CS30 which is still being serviced (full recap and all)

Also, once we clear up the room ith all the boxes, we're gonna solder our own stuff. We've worked out a plan to pimp a Pro One into a Synthex voice.

I was going to ask Urs..what size of room are you using to store all your goodies in?

[electro]

This is a perfect example of a cheap software imitation. The digital doesn't get even close to the open, bold, musical sound of the analog synth. It's all in the filters.

I disagree...have you seen/heard this video? He speaks Japanese but you get the idea:

No they aren't 100% indistinguishable from the hardware but OP-X, PPG 3.V and Oddity meet my standards for adequate software emulation.

[sergiofrias]

I would love to see comparisons of softsynths vs hardware...ive'd found this link: http://www1.keyboards.de/magazine/m0404/404022wp.html
If you know other link's please post them.

[Urs]

I was going to ask Urs..what size of room are you using to store all your goodies in?

We have a 130sqm studio and office space... mostly because I'm not a one man show anymore, and secondly because the stuff wouldn't fit in my old room at home...

[ATS]

One guy wrote me recently sure I was using hardware but all I use is software. This has been happening for years. So obviously a lot of people cannot tell the difference.

[Examigan]

One guy wrote me recently sure I was using hardware but all I use is software. This has been happening for years. So obviously a lot of people cannot tell the difference.

That's great

I would love to have a few hardware synths, like a Minimoog, D-50 and an OB-X but can't afford them.

Maybe I could if it was one sold "as-is", but good ones on places like EBay want so much in $$ it's like a wallet flattener for sure.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-VINTAG ... 484259716b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oberheim-OBX-OB ... 0596914897

[sergiofrias]

Here is my quick test using Tal-uno-62 vs a real juno 60 Filter decay sample:

Tal-uno:
http://soundcloud.com/sergiofrias/juno- ... lter-decay

Juno 60:
http://soundcloud.com/sergiofrias/juno-filter-decay

I'ved perfectly matched the frequency sweep using a frequency spectrum analyser,by controlling the cutoff and envelope mod in tal uno (start freq:9.69 khz and end freq: 454 Hz)

Somehow,i couldnt match the resonance of the real juno,also theres a little bit of noise in the original sample,i've could add a little bit of white noise,but its ok.

[trimph1]

I was going to ask Urs..what size of room are you using to store all your goodies in?

We have a 130sqm studio and office space... mostly because I'm not a one man show anymore, and secondly because the stuff wouldn't fit in my old room at home...

meh..mine sits in a 200 sq ft room right now..I'm still trying to work out the other studio space. I've discovered that everytime you put something into the room it shrinks...

[himalaya]

I would love to have a few hardware synths, like a Minimoog, D-50 and an OB-X but can't afford them.

The second hand synth market has been captured by the wheelers and dealers, who feed the hipsters wanting an analogue synth for their latest progressive house tune (easy now it's a silly thing to say, I know).

There is no hope of snapping one of these at sensible prices anymore until....until the market is flooded with high quality brand new stuff at attractive prices, below ebays (a rubbish theory, I know!lol), Synths like Analogue Solution's Lipzieg, MFB synths, in particular the forthcoming Dominion (which will be available as a poly too!), Macbeth's new Micromac ...only Korg is fussing around with those silly little Monotribes instead of putting the guts of all the new Monotribes into one box/synth and be done with it.

However, you mention the D50, they can be had for cheap (relatively speaking).

[jancivil]

If I had a real Moog I would use it over a software that is made to do the same thing. However I don't think that is necessarily going to travel to the next person who hears the result and I think if I stated 'this is a moog' with a convincing moog kind of sound that it would be difficult to prove any different. So it's rather all a moot point for me.

[Mutant]

If your budget is limited, you can always go the DIY route...

It may even become your new hobby.

http://www.squidoo.com/buildASynth

[Sequent]

The second hand synth market has been captured by the wheelers and dealers

Boy Howdy!

For a while it seems like old synths were a dime a dozen. Well, at least you could usually find a decent deal on something in good condition. I remember coming across a pair of OB8's that were in perfect condition that someone had sold for $400 a piece.

It's a lot harder now, but once in a while you can still come across a relatively good price. You have to know what you're interested in, have a bit of patience and keep an eye out for it, and have a little bit of luck. You also have to have an extra bit of spending money on hand so that you can jump on board when the opportunity presents itself. And who has that nowadays.

The new boutique stuff can be very cool. There is some really nice and interesting new gear being made but that's expensive too. One could say that it's a rich man's hobby. Korg is selling those Monotribes because it's a quick fix for all those people who really dream about getting something else.

In the past I wound up selling a bunch of really cool stuff. Nowadays I'm holding onto what I have and mainly being happy with that!

[Sequent]

One guy wrote me recently sure I was using hardware but all I use is software. This has been happening for years. So obviously a lot of people cannot tell the difference.

And here, I think, is exactly the point. Or at least a very good point. The regular listener may or may not care, or even know. I've had similar experiences. I've even had it the other way where someone commented once where I wanted to say, dude, that IS a real analog synth.

All of us here who live and breath this stuff and talk about it every day will know, but the regular listener may or may not know the difference. Though I will say that sometimes they will know intuitively.

But ultimately, it's the music that matters, not so much how it was accomplished. That's kind of secondary, if perhaps not even besides the point. If the music communicates something to someone that's really all that matters, imo. We shouldn't lose sight of that!