KVR Audio

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:47 am

chk071 wrote:And considering how many people will upgrade now to Windows 10, the incompatibility issue is quite a realistic scenario too.

But it still works like it worked before, nobody is forcing anybody to upgrade your OS.
Are you making music or just messing with software?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:51 am

T-CM11 wrote:
chk071 wrote:nor do other hosts.
Cubase and FL Studio have.

MuLab and Podium doesn't.

T-CM11 wrote:
chk071 wrote:And considering how many people will upgrade now to Windows 10, the incompatibility issue is quite a realistic scenario too.
But it still works like it worked before, nobody is forcing anybody to upgrade your OS.
Are you making music or just messing with software?

Do you still use Windows XP?

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:01 pm

ENV1 wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote: Nice rant ... but it doesn't apply here. Copy protection is a serial number only (no C/R).
Its definitely Challenge/Response.

I stand corrected. Sorry for the wrong info.

When I got my "activation codes" on the Novation site, after putting in my "unlock code" provided by MusicTech I presumed that was the authorization done. Turns out the plugins then ask for a "license file" when you first open them in your DAW. This has to be downloaded directly to your computer (or email).

It says in the "license file" email :

To complete software activation, simply follow these steps:

Copy the attached license file to the computer you wish to activate.
In your DAW (Digital Audio Workstation), open any of the 'Midnight Plugin Suite' plugins.
Click the 'Install License' button then locate and open the license file on your computer.

You need only complete this activation procedure once to enable full functionality of your software.

It's not clear to me if the license is tied to my computer ID or to the serial of the plugin ...

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:17 pm

No it's not tied to any of your computers components, because it never receives any information from your system. You go to website, enter serial, get emailed an activation file. No way they could have included a unique id in there based on that procedure.

EDIT: I might have to take that back, the registration page is actually accessed from al link within the plugin. I forgot about that, sorry for the confusion

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:28 pm

BDeep wrote: EDIT: I might have to take that back, the registration page is actually accessed from al link within the plugin. I forgot about that, sorry for the confusion

Yeah ... it's confusing. Some clarification from Focusrite / Novation would be good.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:33 pm

chk071 wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:
chk071 wrote:nor do other hosts.
Cubase and FL Studio have.
MuLab and Podium doesn't.

You can't have everything! Buy a 3rd party one if you need it.

chk071 wrote: Do you still use Windows XP?

No, Windows 7.
What's wrong with Windows XP? (We're talking about music production, so any answer that's unrelated is irrelevant

)

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:04 pm

There's nothing wrong with it, but considering it doesn't get any more updates or security fixes, it's a risk to have it connected to the internet. Though it depends on the diffusion rate of course, and if noone uses Windows XP anymore, it's pointless for hackers to concentrate on exploiting security gaps in XP. BUT, most software coming out these days won't support Windows XP anymore, so you depend on luck to have your software up and running or not.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:13 pm

T-CM11 wrote: What's wrong with Windows XP? (We're talking about music production, so any answer that's unrelated is irrelevant )

Live 9.2 doesn't work with XP, and that's also the case with some of my plugins ... that's why I just upgraded to Win8.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:58 pm

chk071 wrote:Assuming that you have to reinstall your software. Which is as likely as losing your serial, having problems with your software, or having compatibility issues with a new OS. Or there is no 64-bit version. Or...

And yes, of course i had to reinstall a plugin once in a while, and it would suck to not be able to. But as i wrote, there's other reasons why it's generally bad when a company goes out of business too. Also mind the likeliness that something like that would happen. Then maybe it gets put into perspective a bit again.

On Windows the backward compatibility is pretty good. Microsoft has made sure that you can still run pretty much anything that was made since Windows 95. And with the help of specialty tools like Microsoft Application Compatibility Toolkit you can - if you know what you're doing - make even more fussy programs work without much problems. On Mac and Linux, you will be screwed much quicker as both these platforms have horrible backward compatibility.

Also, like I said, you can also use virtualization to mitigate many problems and keep old software working.

But all this presumes that you can authorize your software along the road.

Just one concrete example. One of the most expensive piece of software I have ever owned is Emulator X3. It uses a crappy C/R authorization. I have many many projects that use X3. And I still regularly use it on new projects. Now, Creative killed EMU long time ago. So far they have kept their activation servers up but as Creative has been going financially downhill for many years now, I'm afraid the time when they pull the plug on it is not far away. Even the thought of it fills me with horror. Otherwise there would be absolutely no problems with it. It was among the first instruments to have full native 64bit support so this is covered. And so far it works flawlessly on anything up from Windows XP on 32 or 64bit.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:18 pm

Hello, talk about going outside topic, Emulator X3 what's that got to do with Novation/V-Station

It seems user can't get served a freebie (or close to that) without turning it into yet another copy protection bashing fest

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:24 pm

chk071 wrote:There's nothing wrong with it, but considering it doesn't get any more updates or security fixes, it's a risk to have it connected to the internet. Though it depends on the diffusion rate of course, and if noone uses Windows XP anymore, it's pointless for hackers to concentrate on exploiting security gaps in XP. BUT, most software coming out these days won't support Windows XP anymore, so you depend on luck to have your software up and running or not.

Does the internetz make the musics? -> Irrelevant! Case dismissed!

You just can't help yourself talking about updating and upgrading and webbery and whatever.

My point was: "if someone makes music on Windows XP", then what's the problem? My point was not: "if someone makes music, surfs the web, plays games, uses Office, installs upgrades, etc... on Windows XP, then what's the problem?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:38 pm

If someone makes music on Windows XP that implies that his software is working, which could be not the case considering Windows XP is a no more supported, mostly abandoned OS.

Anyway, i don't think it's constructive to go on discussing, i don't think the copy protection consideration is worth it in any case. Feel free to disagree.

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:48 pm

Numanoid wrote:It seems user can't get served a freebie (or close to that) without turning it into yet another copy protection bashing fest

Because the copy protection is just needless. Nobody buys the V anymore, most guys already use a "free" version or have bought it 10 years ago

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:51 pm

Wildfunk wrote:
Numanoid wrote:It seems user can't get served a freebie (or close to that) without turning it into yet another copy protection bashing fest
Because the copy protection is just needless. Nobody buys the V anymore, most guys already use a "free" version or have bought it 10 years ago

So basically, everything which is older than 7 years doesn't need a copy protection anymore? And how do you know that noone buys it anymore?

Oh well.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:53 pm

Wildfunk wrote:most guys already use a "free" version

What guys are that ?

V-Station 2.0 is out (64 bit)