Reason 8 - Official

[memyselfandus]

I wonder if the new drag-and-drop options are a sign that they will have something like easy drummer where you can drag-and-drop the midi files into the sequencer? From a RE

This type of feature would be a huge thing.

[Trancit]

I think the Reason crowd needs to grow up.

Out of all the DAWs, Reason has the most immature and seriously inexperienced user base. Just read the responses here. These guys who blindly support Reason are hilarious. The program is years and years behind other DAWs and these guys will defend it to no end.

RE's are a joke that will never ever impact big-time studios.....ever.

It's just a product they can hustle to their amateur user base.

I know don´t feed the trolls, but this posting represents the most prejudices and mistakes about Reason:

This is not a DAW and will never be and never wanted to be one... Stop comparing Reason with real DAWs like Cubase, Reaper, Sonar...etc...
Reason is a giant instrument with integrated sequencing possibilities: It was never designed to compete with the big ones at this point in time i.e. ProTools, Cubase and Logic to do huge band recordings and similar stuff even if this would be possible with the latest versions.
On the one hand, it´s at best a songwriters tool, who wants to record himself with a single instrument (like guitar or piano) and wants to underlay this with certain components to make this song complete...
On the other hand, it´s a fantastic tool for composer of electronic music from HipHop to Dance/Trance/Techno styles with all it´s varieties...

Who´s really looking for doing orchestral composing (like it is possible with libraries from i.e. Kontakt) must be really barking on the wrong tree...
Speciallized genres ahve to be done with speciallized tools and for these Reason is definetely not the way to go and perhaps will never be.

For the others, which I mentioned before, Reason has definetely it´s strength, which nothing else on the market offers:

- to limit yourself can definetely help to be more productive
- everything you need is inside the box and even with expansion (RE´s) it´s dead easy to install, authorize and manage... I don´t know, how many claims were here on KVR about problems with authorizing different products ... in Reason: one click and EVERYTHING just works...perhaps the older ones from you remember: This was what made Macintosh/Apple successful!!!
- everything works exact the same way... you know how to use one device, you know automatically using the others as well
- everything connects to everything... Reason is all about CV and this concept works throughout the whole program... everything can modulate everything, no matter what you use even with the audio to CV conversion... show me this in VST land
- no issues with focus stealing, keystroke problems...etc. never had this in VST land... there where always problems: not without cause nearly every host in VST land got their more or less hidden settings to prevent, but mostly at best to moderate this problem...
- devices load instantly... no dropouts, no gaps...just insert and proceed working... holy shit, what have I sworn with some VST´s
- Propellerhead devices are still the most CPU efficient, with which I ever worked with and even if they need a bit more work to sound good, their overall sound is after all those years still fine and competitive
- many devices in Reason are very innovative and VST land still lacks of usuable counterparts (if there are any at all)... not as a single standalone device, but in relationship with the whole Reason concept and with the ease of handling...

We could continue this list nearly endless:
important for me personaly as a (more or less) electronic music composer/producer: 90% or more, what is possible in VST land is possible in Reason as well... sometimes easier sometimes harder to realize... but much more, which is possible in Reason IS NOT possible in VST land... so the choice for me is easy and Propellerhead´s updates are less featurerich and coming not that frequent like from other, but what they do, makes absolutely sense, is well thought-out and simply works...
The other extreme would be Reaper: they overwelm their user with tons of unready, confusing and poorly integrated shit...
I like the Propellerheads way much better: Learn to work with what you got and you gain double!!! That´s for me personaly worth the few bucks every few years... if i bring back the good old times to my mind... in music business you have not even been allowed to say hello for this little money ... a single syntheziser, which was able of perhaps 10% of nowadays features and just a few voices cost more than Reason with all it´s updates...

Just my 2 cents

[chk071]

My question would be... "Unless you actually want to own and use Reason (and those here who do and are using it are of course excluded), who cares?"

But then, that would be too easy right? I mean, bring that argument in 90% of threads here, and you could close them afterwards. Nah, i totally agree. Reasonable people will either buy or don't buy. And some other reasonable people will discuss in a constructive way. But there's also always a lot of agitators who don't even care.

[HobbyCore]

I think the Reason crowd needs to grow up.

Out of all the DAWs, Reason has the most immature and seriously inexperienced user base. Just read the responses here. These guys who blindly support Reason are hilarious. The program is years and years behind other DAWs and these guys will defend it to no end.

RE's are a joke that will never ever impact big-time studios.....ever.

It's just a product they can hustle to their amateur user base.

I know don´t feed the trolls, but this posting represents the most prejudices and mistakes about Reason:

This is not a DAW and will never be and never wanted to be one...

You do know that Propellerhead refers to Reason as a DAW... right?

[krucial]

I think the Reason crowd needs to grow up.

Out of all the DAWs, Reason has the most immature and seriously inexperienced user base. Just read the responses here. These guys who blindly support Reason are hilarious. The program is years and years behind other DAWs and these guys will defend it to no end.

RE's are a joke that will never ever impact big-time studios.....ever.

It's just a product they can hustle to their amateur user base.

I know don´t feed the trolls, but this posting represents the most prejudices and mistakes about Reason:

This is not a DAW and will never be and never wanted to be one...

You do know that Propellerhead refers to Reason as a DAW... right?

They do? Where did you see this? From what I understand they prefer to call it "Music Making Software".

[LawrenceF]

But then, that would be too easy right? I mean, bring that argument in 90% of threads here, and you could close them afterwards. Nah, i totally agree. Reasonable people will either buy or don't buy. And some other reasonable people will discuss in a constructive way. But there's also always a lot of agitators who don't even care.

Well, yeah. I mean, we all obviously love to talk 'daw tech' so that's not a big deal, some of the features these products add are intriguing, to me anyway. A product updates, we discuss the changes, no biggie. But some of it goes way, way overboard.

Like those Bitwig users, they're just ... really confused... and need electroshock therapy.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[hueynym]

You do know that Propellerhead refers to Reason as a DAW... right?

On Propellerheads "Reason" page: https://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/
They refer to it as "the legendary music production software studio" - the word "workstation" doesn't appear anywhere on the page... One could argue that it IS Digital, it DOES work with Audio and "studio software" COULD be construed as a Workstation, but they never actually refer to REASON as a DAW...

[ezelkow1]

ducks and all that jazz

[Tronam]

This thread got huge in a hurry. I don't have time to read all 15 pages, but I'm guessing most comments sit in one of these camps:

* Mockery of Propellerhead marketing
* People still use Reason?!?
* Have they added VST support yet?
* How dare they charge money for "workflow" improvements!
* Reason fans riding in on white horses to save the day against the tyranny of KvR

[xbitz]

I wonder if the new drag-and-drop options are a sign that they will have something like easy drummer where you can drag-and-drop the midi files into the sequencer? From a RE

This type of feature would be a huge thing.

from twitter

[Flandersh]

This thread is kinda funny.

My question would be... "Unless you actually want to own and use Reason (and those here who do and are using it are of course excluded), who cares?"

If I were a Reason user who was productive with it and enjoyed using it and I thought the new UI tweaks could improve my overall comfort with it, I'd probably pay the $130, budget permitting. If not, I'd keep my money in my pocket and wait for the next update.

I think I care because I have dreams. The original Reason concept was a great one. A simple rack with a host of included modules with a lot of options. And Propellerhead was somewhat alone in this, making the users turn to Reason since that was the only option. But then also that option disappeared with the radical changes in Reason, and so the only options became to use an old version, wait for an update with a reverse of the radical change, or wait for a new software with the concept of original Reason to arise. At the moment only the use of an old Reason has been the real option for me, but my dreams still hope for either an update that give the possibility of the original Reason back (in example, as mention before, the option to install Reason without Record) or that some others make a new software rack with instruments, effects and modularity that really can compete with original Reason.

[festeringheap]

https://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/reason8/



Not much info, just say it reworked the interface and workflow, plus new amp models.

Honestly, that is the lamest announcement for any upgrade for any DAW I have ever seen. The vid times in at 2:09, and yet the first bit of info about what is in the upgrade doesn't arrive until 1:05 - halfway way in. By 1:40, all the info has been given. 1/4 to tell us features - a new browser that drags and drops, 3/4 to tell all pretty much nothing. If there are some kickass Softube guitar and bass amps in upgrade, then they should have some guitar and bass playing in there. Showcase the amps some. They had over a minute and a half to do so. It's just like a really bad movie, and totally not up to their usual standards. Completely uninspiring.
Baffled. Do they want people to upgrade? Maybe they want you spend instead on some new Rack Extensions. This is one lean upgrade. I'll skip this one.

That's a great point you make about the Softube guitar and bass amps. It was a major fail to not provide an audio preview of them in action. A mere 10-12 seconds could have covered a lot of sonic ground; from clean folk/pop, to heavy metal, and a stop in-between.

This video was all about the concept of improved workflow, and next to nothing about the tools you'll actually be working with.

My favorite part was when they showed a few Props' employees walking in slow-motion, to show how deep, serious, and committed they are, and the montage of them workin' hard. They should have had a few nurse types in there, mopping brows and such.

Or maybe my favorite part was the dreadlocked vocalist hammering out a tune with her guitarist.

Or maybe it was the dude gettin' funky at the keyboard.

Or maybe it was the newbie-chick spreading her singer-songwriter wings for the first time.

Or maybe it was the white kid in the hoodie. He was smiling. I'd like to smile, too, so maybe I should upgrade to Reason 8.

Either way, I'm moist, and I've got my credit card at the ready.

Reason 8 = Benetton

It's an abysmal video. As a goof it would have been (barely) tolerable ("extremely formulaic" division), but they actually expect people to believe they believe this!

At the very, very least, they're woefully out of touch, and completely condescending.

At best, they completely suck.

I'd rather light €129 on fire just to watch it burn and sample the sound it made than give it to them.

Long-term, they're doomed. They just don't get it, and they seemingly revel in not getting it. They've got three speeds; "stonewall silence", "ultra-cheesy marketing", and "5 years behind everybody else".

Compare that with NI's last public Q&A (at MESSE), and a lot of things become very obvious.

While we agree that the video was quite lame, a couple things:
I don,t think they are out of touch. While I,m not impressed with the concept of a drag drop browser at 129 dollars, I think the implementation of what it is will be outstanding. The little things they have done right in creating figure and Thor for iPad in terms of ease of use, lead me believe they,ll nail a damn good and efficient browser.
I don,t think that they are doomed, and they have have several paths moving forward..
*Reason as it is now as DAW
*Mobile apps which may include a mobile version of the original Reason with in app purchases of the original devices
*the original Reason will also be introduced at some point in the future - there are still a lot of studios and people using Reason 5 for the rack. A rack future version will be scalable and also allow purchase of any RE created, at which time there will be many to chooses from
I don,t see Propellerhead going down any time soon, and personally, I would rather spend 129 on the upgrade rather than burn it and sample it, but I suspect I will spend 129 on an upgrade to Reason 9 or 10 rather than this one.

[chk071]

You do know that Propellerhead refers to Reason as a DAW... right?

On Propellerheads "Reason" page: https://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/
They refer to it as "the legendary music production software studio" - the word "workstation" doesn't appear anywhere on the page... One could argue that it IS Digital, it DOES work with Audio and "studio software" COULD be construed as a Workstation, but they never actually refer to REASON as a DAW...

Why should it not be referred to as a DAW? I don't see a difference to other "DAW's".

[Tronam]

...This is not a DAW and will never be and never wanted to be one... Stop comparing Reason with real DAWs like Cubase, Reaper, Sonar...etc...
Reason is a giant instrument with integrated sequencing possibilities: It was never designed to compete with the big ones at this point in time i.e. ProTools, Cubase and Logic...

The last time I could honestly try to get away with suggesting Reason wasn't a DAW is version 5. Since being merged with Record in v6 and 6.5's introduction of rack extensions there's nowhere to hide now and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging its weaknesses in light of the competition. It has many strengths too. Reason's been my primary music making environment for years, but I won't delude myself into thinking it doesn't have growing up to do. Of course it does and many of the criticisms directed at it are perfectly valid (although sometimes unnecessarily mean spirited). To me Reason 8 is actually a great sign because Propellerhead is finally overhauling core fundamentals of the program that haven't really changed much since 2005 when Reason 3 first introduced the current browser system. I know a lot of users are accustomed to it and think R8 is no big deal, but it's seriously antiquated and I think the significance of these changes won't truly be felt until put to use. Many growing pains ahead and hopefully good ones. In the meantime, bring on the haters. I can take it!