Nobody appreciates small time electronic music makers/electronic musician for most is a lonely life

[Functional]

but EDM is simply that much more easier especially for those festivals who don't give a rats ass about others within the genre.

Can you name a festival?

Any in Finland that is EDM-oriented. They always use that term.

Don't know others that much, apart from Tomorrowland which doesn't give an exception.

The subculture festivals though generally never use that term, they describe the content usually by genres and DJ names

Regarding the latter post; it's function in that use is not to describe wide spectrum but to abuse the prescription that the mainstream consumers have of it's content.

[dayjob]

Congratulations!


Can we stop now?

[t3toooo]

but EDM is simply that much more easier especially for those festivals who don't give a rats ass about others within the genre.

Can you name a festival?

Any in Finland that is EDM-oriented. They always use that term.

Don't know others that much, apart from Tomorrowland which doesn't give an exception.

The subculture festivals though generally never use that term, they describe the content usually by genres and DJ names

Regarding the latter post; it's function in that use is not to describe wide spectrum but to abuse the prescription that the mainstream consumers have of it's content.

Aah,glad it is in Finland like that,lucky you.

[Functional]

The reason I take so much offense at the redefinition is because it's coming from ignorance of the breadth of EDM. I refuse to adjust my usage.

YMMV.

The same happened with Hip Hop and worst the modern RnB.


I remember Richard D James (Aphex) hated the term IDM.


So speaking about the "wrong",that's why i think it's time going back to an artists style where a name is a style,the name of an artist.


@Functional

After thinking about it.
To state "EDM" would be much more convenient and easy for the festivals to give it a "broader musical spectrum" is just hilarious.
That would be the opposite of what gettosynth is saying.

Since the thread title "Nobody appreciates small time electronic music makers",EDM in the 90's was just like that,a rather small world wide community commercially ignored to death,usually recognized by peoples taking pills and whatnot.

But at this time it was possible to create different styles which eventually went into genres if you were good.
Today it is the opposite,the genre is invented and peoples chosen by the style.

So, no,it was not "always like that".

Regarding IDM, I think it's also somewhat lame term but for different reasons. It tries to distance itself from EDM by being somehow intellectually superior. It's also completelt mind boggling whenever something belongs to it or not. What makes music "intelligent"? Or stupid for that matter?

Regarding when it wasn't like this, don't think anyone said the opposite

[Functional]

but EDM is simply that much more easier especially for those festivals who don't give a rats ass about others within the genre.

Can you name a festival?

Any in Finland that is EDM-oriented. They always use that term.

Don't know others that much, apart from Tomorrowland which doesn't give an exception.

The subculture festivals though generally never use that term, they describe the content usually by genres and DJ names

Regarding the latter post; it's function in that use is not to describe wide spectrum but to abuse the prescription that the mainstream consumers have of it's content.

Aah,glad it is in Finland like that,lucky you.

Yeah sure some mainstream genres might use their genre as marketing label et al hardstyle, but basically the scenario is the same. Hardstyle has multiple categories yet to mainstream audience it's mostly about few popular artists and they expect to see them in hardstyle festivals

[t3toooo]

Regarding when it wasn't like this, don't think anyone said the opposite

After all,EDM is the complete opposite nowadays,it turned into a market where some people earn millions but most people even don't know them (that's a vast difference).

Now i could say,it's better to not try to earn money with music and it was always like this.
Poor musician.

The difference is, while you needed a fair amount of hardware up to the end of the 90's most people could not afford the expense.

Now with using more and more the computer it's up to anyone to learn a workflow.
By all means,imo,i say that using a computer is way harder than using hardware simply because giant company's programmed clever circuits and a artist just need to dial the knobs as he like.

Most people think using a computer is way easier.

Most hardware sounds way better out of the box, if you know how to use it but it's also way more fun to dial the knobs.


However as the evolution is progressing you won't do the same that people already did 20 years ago and this is always a cumbersome step.
That's why genres are useless and hindering,for the artist itself.

Why calling something "progressive house",that was done by one guy,do i need to copy him when i want to sell something on Beatport?


Different circumstances,same result.

[Functional]

Well I'm not gonna go into the debate of genres. I find that they have their use and that they can be difficult. I think most artists acknowledge them quite well and can break them up if they desire so, while others are restrained and heck, maybe that might even be helpful for them.

Though it's quite clear that because basically technology advances further and further til' the point you can become a bedroom mastering engineer (practically, doable already for non-commercial releases), you get more people stepping in and some of them want to make their fortune in EDM so there's more supply in terms of these types of artists. And that is why there is also a shift in terms of how the mainstream scene is handled, so that it is now more streamlined process.

It's just those fruits of capitalism, where the big bucks ought to ruin art. In fact, studies have shown, that after a certain point, throwing more money at someone doing something creative or inventive, the end result just gets worse.

[ghettosynth]

The reason I take so much offense at the redefinition is because it's coming from ignorance of the breadth of EDM. I refuse to adjust my usage.

YMMV.

The same happened with Hip Hop and worst the modern RnB.


I remember Richard D James (Aphex) hated the term IDM.


So speaking about the "wrong",that's why i think it's time going back to an artists style where a name is a style,the name of an artist.

Well, yes, IDM as a style is a bit eye-rolling, but, at least if you don't spell it out, people largely know what kinds of music the three letters are in reference to.

That said, I think that getting too uptight about style defeats the purpose. It communicates and filters. The aforementioned Johannes Heil album was purchased in a DJ record store in Seattle. It still has the "techno" sticker on the front. I found it because I was looking in the "techno" section. That's useful. Most of it is techno, beatport calls some of the tracks downtempo or electronica. I wouldn't have found the record if they were just organized by artist name. In fact, in the past label meant far more than the artist's name for making arbitrary decisions. It got to the point when I was searching for house music that I could flip very quickly looking for the label logos that carried the music that I liked.

When I go to an event I want to hear specific kinds of music, with a few exceptions, I often don't care as much about specific artists/djs. An interesting example of this is DJ Sneak. I love Sneak's tracky records so if someone is playing that kind of house, I probably want to go see them, but, Sneak is a boring DJ.

When an unknown DJ was going to play, people weren't generally interested in who he or she was, just what kind of music that they were going to play.

[Functional]

I love Sneak's tracky records so if someone is playing that kind of house, I probably want to go see them, but, Sneak is a boring DJ.

Haha, yeah. I remember how anxious I was about getting to hear live set by Luomo, which was a complete disappointment versus his music.



After that I realized not to make that mistake again. Though I haven't even been partying for couple of years anyway, and by the looks of it, not necessarily for a long time.

[hivkorn]

frantz i want the same plz!!!!

[Naer]

I feel like the only one who appreciated my work is me

Anyone feel the same way?

[robogone]

Not at all. I share what I have and from time to time have a small audience of friends who will sit and listen to me improvise something.

I don't think creating computer music is a cause of loneliness.

[Zombie Queen]

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4&t=420363

[SODDI]

Everyone has a lonely life. You are born alone, you live a life in the isolation of your own skull and you die alone. That's just the truth.

I could give a shit whether anyone "appreciates" what I do. I don't do it for them and they'll never hear it.

[Chapelle]

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