Do Linux users tend to be somewhat paranoid?

[mevla]

I've been waiting for 30 yrs for linux to become practical for me. I continue to wait...

*The issue for me is 100 % about the availability of commercial SW.

Meh.

Why would you want commercial software? Can be taken away from you at a moment's notice. Or you get robbed after you made your investment in a given piece.

For work mostly... Quite often it's not my investment either thank you very much.

Not yours. So the company provides the software tools you need ? So what about then the issue of about the availability of commercial SW if it's the company you are working for that handles everything ?

[glokraw]

That you are happy with what you have does not change the fact that you miss so much. You don't even know how much you miss

When your day has a limited number of hours, all that stuff you think is missing has no relevance. It's theoretical posturing that ignores personal preference or need.
I have used a small percentage of what I have available, the hours-to-plugins ratio has no mercy. With around 300 mainstream tools that likely average 300 presets each, at 365 days a year, thats around 246 presets a day, not counting what's stashed for rainy days in my IK Max bundles, a trove of great Reaktor ensembles, and tons of Kontakt libs from Komplete. Not to mention my hardware synths, rompler, and amps that run in linux, with their own variety and flexibility.

There are categories of software where linux is shorthanded, but music isn't one of them. Not losing sleep, I can borrow time on a relative's photoshop box whenever...

[mevla]

there is plenty enough software on linux

Yeah, Gimp. Find the mistake ...

Ah, The Truth™

Gimp is really quite capable actually, I've even used used it in feature film production in the past.
It can not really 'completely' replace Photoshop tho, in the end. These days there are a lot of high-end commercial graphics packages available for linux. E.g. Houdini, Maya etc. Still, outside of a
studio environment, there's not a ton of reasons to use them on linux.

From what I can see, for a company doing business, for Maya : "3 year. CA$7,335. Lock in your price ; 1 year. CA$2,445. Most popular ; 1 month. CA$305."

I do not know if it's per seat or not.

So at this point. when a company goes into this kind of investment there are many other things to consider, one of them is the total costs involved in everything related including maintenance of hardware, service contracts, company network, server farms for rendering, OS costs and licensing, and a lot more, like at what degree is the company not dependent on external factors that could stop their production, be them security or upgrades.

It's the sum of all costs that weigh in the decision. Not only the piece of software, as if a company was identical to a home user.

[uOpt]

I've been waiting for 30 yrs for linux to become practical for me. I continue to wait...

*The issue for me is 100 % about the availability of commercial SW.

Meh.

Why would you want commercial software? Can be taken away from you at a moment's notice. Or you get robbed after you made your investment in a given piece.

For work mostly... Quite often it's not my investment either thank you very much.

The time you invest to master something is not your investment? Just because somebody paid you it is still your head it goes into, no?

[enCiphered]

I actually find this thread invaluable. The OP asked if we are paranoid, then gets to witness for himself exactly why there might be a reason to feel that people are against Linux users—even if it turns out to not be the reason he was suspecting—antagonists, instead of copy protection.

I couldn't agree more, lol. It's fascinating how discussions can take unexpected turns.. This thread has indeed shed some light on the perceptions and challenges faced by Linux users. While the initial question about paranoia may not have led where I thought, the insights shared here are truly valuable

[_leras]

With closed source a tool can be developed in a direction that the group of users you are in doesn't like. Or it can be priced out of range. Or it can be abandoned. You would lose that investment.

The way that command and control works in open source that cannot happen in a way you can't do anything about. If you feel strongly enough about it you get to keep using the tools you invested in.

Just on these points, music software is a thriving area, and mostly closed source. There are so many developers that are making instruments, FX, sequencer etc. I can't think of many other areas where there is quite so much competition, and as a result, choice.

There are plenty of open source projects that essentially die off when the creator can no longer maintain them. It's not a perfect area by any means.

It's true that not all small software companies last for ever, and sometimes people lose instruments they want to rely on, or bugs can't get fixed, but by and large most things do get updates and maintenance.

For PC users even 32 bit VST 2 plugins from ages ago still generally work fine.

So to me the reality is that the choice of closed source software on windows has been pretty consistently reliable and offered very good choice for a long time now.

In terms of cost, well I'm happy to pay developers for their products and their time and creativity building them. They need to make a living.

And in terms of windows it's really not that expensive, less than many synths and less than any DAW, and a fraction of the price of a well specced audio pc and sound card.

I actually do hope things like CLAP take off and make it's way into e.g. Juce, and allow cross platform plug ins to be easier to create. I'm all for more choice. I think it may need some consolidation on the Linux side though, don't recall a clear 'use this version of Linux' or even a link to a 'how to audio on Linux' in this thread...

[pekbro]

I've been waiting for 30 yrs for linux to become practical for me. I continue to wait...

*The issue for me is 100 % about the availability of commercial SW.

Meh.

Why would you want commercial software? Can be taken away from you at a moment's notice. Or you get robbed after you made your investment in a given piece.

For work mostly... Quite often it's not my investment either thank you very much.

Not yours. So the company provides the software tools you need ? So what about then the issue of about the availability of commercial SW if it's the company you are working for that handles everything ?

I just use their license for whatever software they need the work done with, it's akin to borrowing
an iLok.

[pekbro]

I've been waiting for 30 yrs for linux to become practical for me. I continue to wait...

*The issue for me is 100 % about the availability of commercial SW.

Meh.

Why would you want commercial software? Can be taken away from you at a moment's notice. Or you get robbed after you made your investment in a given piece.

For work mostly... Quite often it's not my investment either thank you very much.

The time you invest to master something is not your investment? Just because somebody paid you it is still your head it goes into, no?

I invested that time long ago for the most part. The OS was Unix (Irix) back then, not linux.
aside from that, the skills for the work I do come naturally to me, there is not really any training
involved. Anyway, I don't really get the point of your comment, I just meant I don't pay for the SW
on any given job, aside from Photoshop which I maintain myself and have for years. What does
this have to do with anything?

[glokraw]

I think it may need some consolidation on the Linux side though, don't recall a clear 'use this version of Linux' or even a link to a 'how to audio on Linux' in this thread...

I often mention AVLinux, as it provides a turnkey distro with most everything in working order, just set your desired rate numbers and devices in qjackctl.
When U-he began their linux ports, Rui, the veteran qtractor daw/synth/interface coder figured out
how they dealt with multiple versions in one installer. Today, a U-he linux port installer will install their vst, vst3, and CLAP versions, with one simple command:

bash install.sh

each in the relevant folder, .vst, .vst3, and .clap. Different destinations in other OS's but same quality expertise at work, so we can play

[mevla]

I often mention AVLinux, as it provides a turnkey distro with most everything in working order, just set your desired rate numbers and devices in qjackctl.

I visited Glen once, nice person.

[glokraw]

Plus he always keeps his cool when posting, shares what he discovers,
and can actually carry a tune. In Texas terms, he has the hat, cattle, boots, and acreage. And likely the blisters and calouses that go with the territory. I'm a couple thousand miles from a meet and greet, but it would be a chat well remembered.
Cheers

[jinotsuh]

Don't go tooting the LinSux horn until you can run all this stuff 'NATIVELY', with nothing between what you are running and LinSux.

I've been there before, I know how the Games perform, or don't perform, I've seen the poor FPS, the glitching and stuttering, I have seen the graphics tearing etc. I have experienced the comparative difficulties getting the sound card YOU want to run, run, and the disappointment when you can't run the DAW YOU want to run, or the plugins YOU want to run etc etc ad nauseam.

Things are a 100-fold easier or more to do on Winblows then they are on LinSux, YOUR choice in Hardware and the ease in which you can install and run it, YOUR choice of Software and the ease at which you can install and run it etc etc ad nauseam.

Unfortunately for you, if this is were a contest, it isn't even close, fortunately for you, this isn't or shouldn't be a contest, and all should be happy doing whatever they are doing with whatever they have decided to do it with.

Good luck to the Linux users, may your lot be a happy one, and may the same go to those on the other side/s

OVER AND OUT

[.jon]

What would be the main benefit of switching to linux specifically for music making purposes?

[dellboy]

What would be the main benefit of switching to linux specifically for music making purposes?

In my opinion there are no practical benefits in using Linux to make music. I have tried using Linux to do that, and although it can be done, its not easy. Of course, this has to be seen relative to using either OSX or Windows to make music. Linux users point out that the benefits are more of a moral,ethical consideration with regard to freedom. I do not say this as a Linux user,as I am on Windows.

[gaggle of hermits]

What would be the main benefit of switching to linux specifically for music making purposes?

ask korg and yamaha.