^I don't agree, this vst sidechaining discussion is clearing some things up for me and it's definitely relevant. I don't own any waves plugs right now but I have used their vocoder before and others that require sidechaining and it would be a bit of a shame not to have access to that stuff.pdxindy wrote:You already declared that Bitwig was of no use to you due to other lacking features... Given that as so, then you are just doing further grandstanding in a thread about software you already said you had no further interest in.
The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread
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- KVRAF
- 2562 posts since 1 Oct, 2013
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- KVRAF
- 1596 posts since 19 Aug, 2009
A bit hard to believe that a DAW that is so aimed at electronics users wouldn't allow side-chaining, dont you think 
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- KVRAF
- 26961 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
My comment was about Theo's melodramatics... not the value of side chaining...Ogopogo wrote:^I don't agree, this vst sidechaining discussion is clearing some things up for me and it's definitely relevant. I don't own any waves plugs right now but I have used their vocoder before and others that require sidechaining and it would be a bit of a shame not to have access to that stuff.pdxindy wrote:You already declared that Bitwig was of no use to you due to other lacking features... Given that as so, then you are just doing further grandstanding in a thread about software you already said you had no further interest in.
Any midi plug-in, or plug-in that sends midi will not work in Bitwig. Side chaining uses audio though... Bitwig has a built in envelope follower device... it would be hard to imagine it only worked with input from the track it was on. I remember a beta tester or Bitwig themselves (on the Facebook page?) saying you could do side chaining in Bitwig but it was not clear whether that would only include Bitwig devices or also 3rd party plug-ins.
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- KVRAF
- 13128 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
While your point is valid, I don't think that there is any point in speculating about features that aren't present in software that isn't finished. I'm more than happy to comment about what is in the current beta but I simply don't want to comment about stuff that "isn't there".Ogopogo wrote:^I don't agree, this vst sidechaining discussion is clearing some things up for me and it's definitely relevant. I don't own any waves plugs right now but I have used their vocoder before and others that require sidechaining and it would be a bit of a shame not to have access to that stuff.pdxindy wrote:You already declared that Bitwig was of no use to you due to other lacking features... Given that as so, then you are just doing further grandstanding in a thread about software you already said you had no further interest in.
There are things that were added to the last beta, which I didn't think were going to make it into v1. I don't think any of the Beta testers know exactly how the release version will shape up. I certainly don't. There may be features in a development branch, that we don't know of yet. I'm not trying to raise anyone's hopes but I think it makes more sense to complain about the features the software lacks, when the software has actually been released.
I hope that doesn't come across as abrasive or argumentative. That's not my intention. I just know that it's hard to break that impulse to speculate/hypothesize based on incomplete information. I just think that it's in everyone's best interest to wait until the software is available to everyone before any judgements are made.
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- KVRAF
- 26961 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
What is the side chaining capability right now? Can it be done with 3rd party plug-ins currently?justin3am wrote:While your point is valid, I don't think that there is any point in speculating about features that aren't present in software that isn't finished. I'm more than happy to comment about what is in the current beta but I simply don't want to comment about stuff that "isn't there".Ogopogo wrote:^I don't agree, this vst sidechaining discussion is clearing some things up for me and it's definitely relevant. I don't own any waves plugs right now but I have used their vocoder before and others that require sidechaining and it would be a bit of a shame not to have access to that stuff.pdxindy wrote:You already declared that Bitwig was of no use to you due to other lacking features... Given that as so, then you are just doing further grandstanding in a thread about software you already said you had no further interest in.
There are things that were added to the last beta, which I didn't think were going to make it into v1. I don't think any of the Beta testers know exactly how the release version will shape up. I certainly don't. There may be features in a development branch, that we don't know of yet. I'm not trying to raise anyone's hopes but I think it makes more sense to complain about the features the software lacks, when the software has actually been released.
I hope that doesn't come across as abrasive or argumentative. That's not my intention. I just know that it's hard to break that impulse to speculate/hypothesize based on incomplete information. I just think that it's in everyone's best interest to wait until the software is available to everyone before any judgements are made.
And I do think there is value in users describing what for them is a critical lack. It gives Bitwig feedback and may in fact influence whether feature X makes it into v1.0
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- KVRAF
- 2562 posts since 1 Oct, 2013
Well I'm saying you can't really class it as melodramtics if it's relevant discussion, right?pdxindy wrote:My comment was about Theo's melodramatics... not the value of side chaining...
Exactly.pdxindy wrote:I remember a beta tester or Bitwig themselves (on the Facebook page?) saying you could do side chaining in Bitwig but it was not clear whether that would only include Bitwig devices or also 3rd party plug-ins.
Ok, I see sense in that but it seems that if the release really is coming by the end of this year then there is not much more stuff they can stick in it. But still as you said I guess the next beta could hold anything.justin3am wrote: While your point is valid, I don't think that there is any point in speculating about features that aren't present in software that isn't finished...
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Ah, the "it's a forum, but only if it's done my way" thing.
@side chaining: I have a tough time believing that's not doable. It's pretty important in electronic music. Isn't that bitwigs primary market?
@side chaining: I have a tough time believing that's not doable. It's pretty important in electronic music. Isn't that bitwigs primary market?
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- KVRAF
- 13128 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
Edit, corrected poor wording: As far as I can tell, there isn't support for multiple outputs or inputs on third-party VSTs in the beta I'm using. Only stereo i/o for third party plug-ins at the moment.pdxindy wrote:What is the side chaining capability right now? Can it be done with 3rd party plug-ins currently?
I agree to a certain extent but it seems that there are folks who are treating the comments of beta testers as a definitive feature list/spec sheet.pdxindy wrote:And I do think there is value in users describing what for them is a critical lack. It gives Bitwig feedback and may in fact influence whether feature X makes it into v1.0
People are free to discuss what they like but I will say this again. I have no idea if the current betas of BWS are feature complete.
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- KVRAF
- 26961 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Sure you can... cause it is...Ogopogo wrote:Well I'm saying you can't really class it as melodramtics if it's relevant discussion, right?pdxindy wrote:My comment was about Theo's melodramatics... not the value of side chaining...
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
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I try to ignore this thing because the rules change about every 3 pages. Sometimes people get along fine. Then usually someone says something that the sharks can smell blood over. Then the snoot snoots snoot. Then there is BH, then it calms down, then people have fun and answer questions and people say thanks and then cycle starts all over.
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- KVRAF
- 13128 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
Sorry Hibidy... maybe I'm a bit dense, maybe I haven't spent enough time in this thread (I only check back every week or so and a lot has happened in that time). Can you be a bit more specific as to what is bothering you? Is it something I said or is it something on-going?
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- KVRAF
- 13128 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
Man, now I feel like a total tool. I was under the impression that the current topic of discussion was a perceived lack of side-chain I/O in BWS. I said "I simply don't want to comment about stuff that "isn't there"." Then, on the same page, I go and make a comment about a feature that "isn't there" in the latest beta. 
Maybe I should take a break from the internet for a while. I appear to be doing it wrong.
Maybe I should take a break from the internet for a while. I appear to be doing it wrong.