SYN'X 2.5 Released - Xils-Lab - (Multitimbral Synthex - intro discount-)

[Ingonator]

Just bought - now waiting for the eLicenser code.

Will the Mac and PC versions be released at the same time?

The downloads of the latest versions are here:
http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/Synthix_D ... llers.html

I guess that like e.g. at Waldorf the download versions of the full version and the dongled demo are identical, just the licenses are different.


Ingo

[auricle]

Cheers, Ingo.

I didn't look at the download page (stupidly) as I need to wait for my eLicenser code before I can do anything.

[Ingonator]

Cheers, Ingo.

I didn't look at the download page (stupidly) as I need to wait for my eLicenser code before I can do anything.

Like me but at least i already downloaded the software.

[hakey]

is it real random generated on the fly by a math function?

the alchemy note properties are also truly random, generated by a maths function

A truly random sequence can not be generated by a mathematical function. [/Pedant]

[xavier]

anyway sorry for butting in... just wanted to clarify given you specifically mentioned alchemy, and suggested your chaox LFOs randomness was unique in being mathematically generated.

Hi,
I want to clarify a little to avoid confusion.
The chaos is not a random noise. You can see it looking at the cloud, hear it, listen to the birds, the wind, or even your car engine when you are in a queue. No cycles, as random noises, but very recognizable as deterministic generators.
Chaos is not random, but not deterministic as well, like quite all the phenomena you can find in the real world.

That's why we are thinking that Chaox is unique

synthix sounds really cool from what i've heard, and i'm looking forward to checking it out. unfortunately the demo hard crashes logic when instantiated here. is this a known issue? let me know if you need a crash log.

Thanks. Yes, this is a known issue I fixed. I'm currently finishing to build a new dongle free demo.

Oxymoron: a truly random sequence can not be generated by a mathematical function. Wink

You're right but see above : Chaox is not a random generator, so it can be done thought a mathematical functions. These functions are well explained in all the fractal geometry.

Best regards
Xavier

[hakey]

Chaos is not random, but not deterministic

Sorry, that doesn't make sense. Determinism/non-determinism (~caused/uncaused) is a dichotomy; there can be no third category of agency process.

And mathematically chaotic behaviour most definitely belongs in the deterministic category.

[xavier]

Chaos is not random, but not deterministic

Sorry, that doesn't make sense. Determinism/non-determinism (~caused/uncaused) is a dichotomy; there can be no third category of agency process.

And mathematically chaotic behaviour most definitely belongs in the deterministic category.

Yes, you're right too, my apologize, all the real world is deterministic.
Like Descartes said, if you know all the first conditions of the world, you would be able to know the future. But like Poincarré said, a infinite little difference between two conditions can bring infinite distance after a while. You know, the butterfly story which produces a cyclone.



Best regards
Xavier

[states]

god damnit... just as soon as i paid for it, i received the discount code (as a Xils3 owner)... aarrgghhh !!!!

[Lotuzia]

Chaos is not random, but not deterministic

Sorry, that doesn't make sense. Determinism/non-determinism (~caused/uncaused) is a dichotomy; there can be no third category of agency process.

And mathematically chaotic behaviour most definitely belongs in the deterministic category.

I'd say non-linear, 3 dimentional and technically deterministic, BUT some systems can exhibit a chaotic behavior WITH a certain set of parameters.

Anyway these are tiny semantics differences Hakey, and our usual weakness in the mastering of the English language might not serve us the best.

THe interesting part is that you can not isolate a precise pattern, hence why we refered in common language as "true random".

And to Col : Yeah smoothing, how could I have forgotten this VERY COOL Alchemy parameter . Yes Rand() is a very basic function, generating a random number, that you can then add/substract/multiply to the set value of a target parameter, but these are tied to the note ON event imho, its not generated in a contiuous way. But well never mind all random functions are very usefull to add LIFE to an instruments, as in Alchemy, Massive, or ... Synthix.

Modulating the smoothing parameter itself for the LFOs, as 2nd order modulation, could certainly produce a kind of manually generated ( if I dare ) random tough. There are often many ways to get to similar, nearly similar, or very close points.

Anyway actually the COOL THING is that anybody trying the Synthix can SEE the ChaoX perform IN REAL TIME with its graphic representation, and thus OBSERVE its non linear behavior.

To do this just click on the LFO ChaoX Tab and in one of the two modulation slots, assign a target parameter. You can now "see" ChaoX ( Reduced to one particle movement:) )

LtZ

[Ingonator]

god damnit... just as soon as i paid for it, i received the discount code (as a Xils3 owner)... aarrgghhh !!!!

I was too fast anyway. I paid the amount for a new user but as i also got PolyKB II i PM'ed Xavier and i already got a refund.
I got that Newsletter email with the discount code yesterday, around 2 hours after i purchased Synthix but as this newsletter was released quite late i noticed it today in the morning. All Xils users that order now should not have those problems as long a they received that email from Xils Lab.


Ingo

[Lotuzia]

I just added some info about the Group buy at the Synapse Audio forum inside the "mixed" threads (called "The Pub" there).

After i received the eLicenser code i'll directly start with a commercial bank for Synthix which will also include the presets i have already done with the demo. Like already mentioned i'll have to reprogram those presets from screenshots i have made.


Ingo

Thanks Ingo

This is VERY usefull !

This also gives me the occasion to remind everybody that this is a GROUP BUY

So that reaching the lowest level price might need that the word about Synthix is spread on : The other forums ( I dont think I'm allowed to name some here in this particular situation ), Facebook or Tweeter or any social networks pages.

Well the more people will be interested in trying the SYnthix, then eventually purchasing it if they like it, the more we're likely to reach this step

LtZ

[hakey]

mathematically chaotic behaviour most definitely belongs in the deterministic category.

I'd say non-linear, 3 dimentional and technically deterministic, BUT some systems can exhibit a chaotic behavior WITH a certain set of parameters.

No "technically" about it - in the mathematical context the word "chaos" is used to describe non-linear *deterministic* behavior. Its full title is in fact "deterministic chaos", but, that being a mouthful, it's shortened to "chaos".

And, from your use of the phrase "chaotic behaviour", I get the feeling that you are still conflating "chaotic" with "random" - they are most definitely not the same thing!

THe interesting part is that you can not isolate a precise pattern, hence why we refered in common language as "true random".

Common language or not that addition of the word "true" gives the phrase a precise meaning that is wholly inaccurate - pseudorandom would have been a much better word to use (or just stick with mathematically/deterministically chaotic). [/pedant]

[Ingonator]

I have added an email about this to the Waldorf forum (mailing list) too.


Ingo

[Nielzie]

The question is: is our universe just randomly created or does its existence in fact has a meaning (beyond our imagination)? If the latter, then nothing that exists in it can be just purely random as it is part of that meaning

[ZINO]

The sound is a litle bit "Cheeeeese" for my taste but this may be true for the original syth as well...