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pwal · Post by **pwal** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:27 pm

grymmjack wrote:APC40 is awesome

agree

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:25 am

So far I am loving Live 9. It has improved tons!

Do i think it was worth the money? Absolutely!

I have been playing with it quite a bit, and I am really really enjoying it. The new features have improved my workflow so far quite a bit, making music production even more enjoyable than it was in version 8.

Here is a DnB track I am working on with Live 9.
https://soundcloud.com/vortex1-1/minor-offense-preview

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:06 am

grymmjack wrote:I don't get the purpose of push. I have a MIDI controller, APC40, keyboard and a mouse. What can't we do with these things that we must have push for?

With your current setup, can you browse the Live library and load an instrument on a track, add some effects, and set the length of and record a clip on that track without looking at the computer screen at all?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:17 am

DHR53 wrote:I think the idea of Push is that it's NOT aimed at keyboard players and those with a traditional setup... but rather if you are not tied to that paradigm, one might completely rethink the way we make music. The problem being most people don't want to take the time to "rethink" their current system.

Most people do not have a setup where they can build up the elements of a song including browsing the library, adding instruments and effects, recording clips, quantizing, automation, triggering clips etc without looking at the computer screen at all.

With Push one has a 64 key velocity and aftertouch sensitive keyboard that can fit in a backpack with a laptop and which provides an impressive level of mouse free capability.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:25 am

Anyone know what the resale policy is on M4L now that it is part of suite. I upgraded from Live 8 Suite + M4L to Suite 9, so can I sell my M4L license and continue to use M4L in Suite 9?

jc_vt · Post by **jc_vt** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:36 am

thecontrolcentre wrote:Anyone know what the resale policy is on M4L now that it is part of suite. I upgraded from Live 8 Suite + M4L to Suite 9, so can I sell my M4L license and continue to use M4L in Suite 9?

I am pretty sure that If your upgrade price was lower since you owned M4L, you cannot sell the earlier version..

ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:35 am

^

Thats why there were a bunch for sale on every forum since you could get ~100 for it vs the 50$ ableton was offering you

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:38 pm

V0RT3X wrote:So far I am loving Live 9. It has improved tons!

Do i think it was worth the money? Absolutely!

I have been playing with it quite a bit, and I am really really enjoying it. The new features have improved my workflow so far quite a bit, making music production even more enjoyable than it was in version 8.

Here is a DnB track I am working on with Live 9.
https://soundcloud.com/vortex1-1/minor-offense-preview

Same here - haven't used it much yet, but no problems so far. Worth the money for sure!

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:44 pm

pdxindy wrote:With your current setup, can you browse the Live library and load an instrument on a track, add some effects, and set the length of and record a clip on that track without looking at the computer screen at all?

Oh yeah that makes sense. Looking at a pixelated two line display vs a 2X" colour screen.

ChiTown24 · Post by **ChiTown24** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:09 pm

if i'm not mistaken, push can only do the cool browsing & loading of instrument {presets} & fx {presets} with Live's native instruments. I guess you could create racks/macros that have your 3rd party instrument/fx included. Have fun doing that for each individual preset of each individual 3rd party plugin you own.

since i use 3rd party stuff 97.98% of the time this is a considerable shortcoming. especially for studio use, which this seems to be primarily aimed for. for a liveset i can see how using 100% native instruments/fx is a good idea for stability sake.

i hope i'm mistaken about this, as no one else here singing the praises of Push's browsing capabilities etc seem to be mentioning it.

if i'm not mistaken i hope it's rectified.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:21 pm

ChiTown24 wrote:if i'm not mistaken, push can only do the cool browsing & loading of instrument {presets} & fx {presets} with Live's native instruments

Push implements everything via MIDI remote scripting and python. What you're suggesting would be the case only if the Live API treats native instruments differently from third-party ones. Or if they deliberately made the distinction in the Push remote scripts. If its the latter, I expect that to be 'fixed' by some other party.

FWIW, since the scripts have already been reverse engineered, expect to see the extra features of Push turn up for third-party devices in a similar manner as happened with the Launchpad/APC (ie the Session Mode 'grid' selection etc.)

zeep · Post by **zeep** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:53 pm

Love Live 9 but dammit i VERY MUCH DISLIKE THE BROWSER. They messed it up. You can't have multiple folders open anymore, unless you CTRL-Click. I hope they change that FAST.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:07 pm

Mushy Mushy wrote:
pdxindy wrote:With your current setup, can you browse the Live library and load an instrument on a track, add some effects, and set the length of and record a clip on that track without looking at the computer screen at all?
Oh yeah that makes sense. Looking at a pixelated two line display vs a 2X" colour screen.

Sometimes it is nice not looking at the screen or having to use the mouse... Hardware synths are still popular and it is often for the more tactile 'hands on' experience.

paveloso · Post by **paveloso** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:10 pm

zeep wrote:Love Live 9 but dammit i VERY MUCH DISLIKE THE BROWSER. They messed it up. You can't have multiple folders open anymore, unless you CTRL-Click. I hope they change that FAST.

I think the new browser is actually a big improvement, it just needs some ironing. I miss the "close all folders" option on right-click! Why would you take that out?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:20 pm

ChiTown24 wrote:if i'm not mistaken, push can only do the cool browsing & loading of instrument {presets} & fx {presets} with Live's native instruments. I guess you could create racks/macros that have your 3rd party instrument/fx included. Have fun doing that for each individual preset of each individual 3rd party plugin you own.

since i use 3rd party stuff 97.98% of the time this is a considerable shortcoming. especially for studio use, which this seems to be primarily aimed for. for a liveset i can see how using 100% native instruments/fx is a good idea for stability sake.

i hope i'm mistaken about this, as no one else here singing the praises of Push's browsing capabilities etc seem to be mentioning it.

if i'm not mistaken i hope it's rectified.

You are correct. It is a significant shortcoming. I too, use mostly 3rd party plug-ins. And yes, it will be some work... But I make lots of racks anyway from 3rd party synths/effects in order to use the macros and save my custom chains, set keyboard ranges etc. I expect a week or two and I will have 'racked' most of my favorite presets... I don't mind the work and I'll take it as an opportunity to sort through lots of presets I don't necessarily want.

Ableton live 9 released