KVR Audio

HTBoogie · Post by **HTBoogie** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:44 pm

jeffh wrote:
hibidy wrote:In theory, you are completely correct, but I believe (though I don't know all the dirty little details) that steiny has something to do with why vst3 hasn't caught on as strongly as was once hoped.
Yeah, Steinberg did well with the initial VST versions because it was "good enough", and because it was just open enough of a standard to draw developer support back when softsynths were a new frontier... However, it still requires you to sign an agreement and register a developer account with Steinberg, and there are limits on how you may license your derivative works (especially that you can't open-source your works that use VST), which means that Steinberg still basically owns you, you are not free to do whatever you want with it...

VST3 was a fairly dramatic departure from previous VST versions that implements things other hosts had already implemented on their own to work-around limitations in those previous versions... So, it is somewhat non-trivial to implement proper VST3 support, and frankly, most people could already accomplish everything they wanted to with VST2.x, so there's not that much value in VST3...

But these days, most developers are smart enough to realize that any software standard should have a liberal open source license (BSD, MIT, LGPL, etc...), that allows them to do whatever they want and freely redistribute and make derivative works under a license of their choosing, even if software implementing the standards is going to be closed-source and proprietary. Developers don't want to be beholden to Steinberg, but there is no suitable open plugin format yet (please don't say LV2, LOL). I think Justin is smart enough to give his plugin format a proper open source license when/if it comes, but in the meantime, I expect VST2.x to continue to dominate, unless somebody else comes up with a proper plugin format...

The Steinberg VST3 license is pretty liberal, despite all the rhetoric that implies the contrary here. It would seem to be compatible with one or more of the "standard" open source licenses, or some derivative of them. The problem is more with the pathologically restrictive GPL which infects everything it touches.

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:13 pm

LawrenceF wrote:Did the past implication that every DAW question on KVR gets answered with "Reaper" drive the Reaper fans away? It's a little strange that Reaper added Elastic Audio markers in it's recent update, a rather large feature and a 5-6 year old feature request, and nobody has even mentioned it here yet.

Is this the new bizarro world KVR where everything is opposite of the regular space time dimension?

Still on with the endless Reaper bashing I see. Me for one just got tired of it, but I guess for you that is a 'scared another Reaper fan away' score.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:40 pm

I replaced reaper with dubturbo. Now I have the swag beats.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:44 pm

hibidy wrote:I replaced reaper with dubturbo. Now I have the swag beats.

Did you notice the splits in your walls?

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:22 am

V'ger wrote:
LawrenceF wrote:Did the past implication that every DAW question on KVR gets answered with "Reaper" drive the Reaper fans away? It's a little strange that Reaper added Elastic Audio markers in it's recent update, a rather large feature and a 5-6 year old feature request, and nobody has even mentioned it here yet.

Is this the new bizarro world KVR where everything is opposite of the regular space time dimension?
Still on with the endless Reaper bashing I see. Me for one just got tired of it, but I guess for you that is a 'scared another Reaper fan away' score.

Where was he bashing Reaper? I mean, he did compliment Reaper, uses Reaper, regularly posts in the Reaper forums............but if that's considered bashing now, I must have gotten it wrong.

Brent

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:28 am

Tricky-Loops wrote:
hibidy wrote:I replaced reaper with dubturbo. Now I have the swag beats.
Did you notice the splits in your walls?

and the car alarm keeps going off.

themuzic · Post by **themuzic** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:49 pm

Lots of bashing goes on here sadly.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:15 am

themuzic wrote:Lots of bashing goes on here sadly.

But it's all nerf people here, so the dents aren't permanent.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:27 am

Now that he had the Waves everything bundle, Desmond was certain he could hold his own against the Reaper fanboys on KvR.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:25 pm

themuzic wrote:Lots of bashing goes on here sadly.

Compared to what?

Brent

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:58 pm

I have no idea how can anyone scare a REAPER user....
I'm using it more and more and regardless of all the negative aspects common to ALL THE DAWs, Reaper allows me to get around it in a way or another, based on my needs of course.

At the beginning I was turned off by the workflow until I realized that there was no workflow but rather a basic flow ready to be completely adopted to my needs.

It takes time but like anything in life, if you want good heat from the stove you better do your part and feed it well.
It's not perfect but neither I.

Scared?

That's funny

jess17 · Post by **jess17** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:21 am

reaper user here... not scared... just busy making music

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:06 am

What's wrong with Reaper? Its a good DAW. I have considered leaving Ableton for Reaper actually. I really like it.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:23 am

KevWestBeats wrote:What's wrong with Reaper? Its a good DAW. I have considered leaving Ableton for Reaper actually. I really like it.

I still use Reaper, but I definitely wouldn't leave Live for it. If you do decide to leave Live, I'll buy your license!

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:05 am

EnochLight wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:What's wrong with Reaper? Its a good DAW. I have considered leaving Ableton for Reaper actually. I really like it.
I still use Reaper, but I definitely wouldn't leave Live for it. If you do decide to leave Live, I'll buy your license!

I use a lot of high cpu fx that's the main reason I am considering leaving it. Stuff like Bloom, British Channel, Maul ect sound great but it comes at the cost of some cpu. I need something that handles cpu usage better so I can do bigger projrects. Ill let you know if I cannot find a work around for it because I do like using Live. Ableton as a company are still on my shit list though.

Did KVR Scare the Reaper Peeps Away?