Another warez user featured in an FM video?

[chk071]

Out of interest: Where is that statement from Lennard regarding artists warezing their stuff?

In fact: Lennar Digital did not make the statement in particular to the artists in question, as I made up out from your own previous post in this thread, though FM did re-edited the vids anyhow.

Mh... i must admit i'm a little confused now. All i posted was a quote from another thread Ruben from LD posted in. And it was only one sentence saying that they rather contact and ask the artists in question rather than putting them to shame publicly in internet forums. What i was asking for is where did LD defend the artists using warez? I know someone quoted something in this thread, but i can't find it now.

[Compyfox]

Ahh... the first post in this thread says something about 5:39 when the TEA is at 5:20 ... still visible so video is probably not edited.

The position where you can see the infamous "TEA" is around 5:38.

This really sparks a whole different question: are music magazines still worth it?

Imagine you're traveling with the Deutsche Bahn (terrible thought, yes, but better than in India ), and you'd like to read something (on paper) without any display!

I might get into that delight soon. But... ever heard of a good book, printed out white papers, a comic, a portable gaming console, listening to music and relax... or whatever else comes to mind like crosswords, writing poems, etc?

Yes - magazines and news papers are still the most common pick ups for public transportation. But still... is it really worth it?

[Urs]

Indeed, TEA is back. Why couldn't I see it last night? Confused.

In any case, I'm not interested much in Lennar's motives and what he does or doesn't. For me, this is about a publishing company we're sending a pretty decent sum to each a year (equivalent of a small car). This money comes from people who save up to pay for their software. It's unbearable seeing this money spent on promoting freetards or the leechy culture around them.

[Crackbaby]

Yes, you're right Compyfox Im going to blame Q for playing with the timeline continuum etc

If magazines are still worth it? Once upon a time, magazines were the only way to get a glimpse of gear unless you lived close to a store where you daily .. or at least weekly, could pester sitting endlessly tweaking demo synths. That way you could see if a piece of gear was good or not. If you didn't live close enough, magazines were the only way to get a "trusted" opinion if a piece of gear was right for you or not.

These days with forums and youtube? No, not really. I've bought a few magazines the last few years, both ana... i mean, in paper form and digital form. There's nothing that i don't already know when i read them! And i don't trust them at all. A swedish magazine had a review of the new Korg Electribe 2. There were no information in it that couldn't have been acquired from the NAMM videos! When they say they had one in possession when writing i call it bullsh*t! It was nothing more than a press release. And they call it a review.

In addition to that, all the tutorials are aimed the absolute beginners anyway. "How to make a bass sound", "How to use distortion in a creative way" ......

[KingClarkie]

Out of interest: Where is that statement from Lennard regarding artists warezing their stuff?

https://www.facebook.com/Sylenth/posts/872017062844327

It has come to our attention that lately more and more websites seem to repeat the 'news' articles about famous producers getting caught using pirated software. They show videos where Avicii, Steve Aoki and Martin Garrix are using illegal copies of Sylenth1. We'd like to share our view on them.

First of all, we like to point out that every single one of these producers actually DID purchase a legal license for Sylenth1 years ago, some of them even before they got famous. It is of course very unfortunate (you could call it stupid even) that they used pirated copies in their videos, possibly because they forgot to install their legal licenses, or were simply too lazy to do so. However, none of them earned big money with pirated software as these websites claim.

Piracy obviously is a major problem for our company, by missing revenue to invest in further development and otherwise because cracked versions usually are buggy and unstable and give wrong impressions of the software.

Also, these videos have been dwelling around the internet for ages already. Spreading this ‘news’ over and over again just sets a bad example and makes it seem like we don't care about artists using illegal copies of our software. Believe it or not: We DO care and we DO take legal actions against piracy.

[Crackbaby]

Indeed, TEA is back. Why couldn't I see it last night? Confused.
...

Im VERY confused about this. Last night i watched it maybe 5-6 times and did not see it. Now i looked there it was.

[KingClarkie]

Funny story: Martin Garrix once stole Lennard's car. When he confronted him about it Martin told him he had a car of his own but couldn't find the keys. They both had a good laugh and Lennard asked him not to do it again.

By funny story I mean completely made up.

[deastman]

Argh! I just want to bang my head against a wall whenever I read that quote from Lennard. Garrix was "too lazy" to install his legally purchased copy, but not "too lazy" to acquire and install an illegal copy? WTF kind of pandering excuse is that???

[She Changed Her Mind]

@KingClarkie

Thanks for clearing that up. After all my effort I got somewhat mischievous in my last posts

[KingClarkie]

Argh! I just want to bang my head against a wall whenever I read that quote from Lennard. Garrix was "too lazy" to install his legally purchased copy, but not "too lazy" to acquire and install an illegal copy? WTF kind of pandering excuse is that???

Yes, rather than provide excuses it would have been better to say simply that they had "been in contact with the artists and are now satisfied that they are in compliance with the software license."

Incidentally, section 2.5 of the Sylenth1 Software License Agreement includes this:

You may not attempt to unlock or bypass any copy-protection or authentication algorithm utilized by this Product.

So even if they'd paid for a license, using a cracked version was still a violation of the Sylenth1 license agreement.

[She Changed Her Mind]

@KingClarkie

You may attempt though -as a gesture- if the crack pays off laturz

In other words: don't try this when FM doesn't make vids about you. Fair enough

[chk071]

Out of interest: Where is that statement from Lennard regarding artists warezing their stuff?

https://www.facebook.com/Sylenth/posts/872017062844327

It has come to our attention that lately more and more websites seem to repeat the 'news' articles about famous producers getting caught using pirated software. They show videos where Avicii, Steve Aoki and Martin Garrix are using illegal copies of Sylenth1. We'd like to share our view on them.

First of all, we like to point out that every single one of these producers actually DID purchase a legal license for Sylenth1 years ago, some of them even before they got famous. It is of course very unfortunate (you could call it stupid even) that they used pirated copies in their videos, possibly because they forgot to install their legal licenses, or were simply too lazy to do so. However, none of them earned big money with pirated software as these websites claim.

Piracy obviously is a major problem for our company, by missing revenue to invest in further development and otherwise because cracked versions usually are buggy and unstable and give wrong impressions of the software.

Also, these videos have been dwelling around the internet for ages already. Spreading this ‘news’ over and over again just sets a bad example and makes it seem like we don't care about artists using illegal copies of our software. Believe it or not: We DO care and we DO take legal actions against piracy.

Thanks. Don't see much wrong with that statement though tbh. The most important point being that none of them earned big money by using warezed plugins. I think the view that they would be defending the artists, or piracy in general isn't really true anyway. What i rather read out of it is that they criticize the medial presentation of the situation, which is rather populistic, and once again a display of the moral instance thinking. IMO, to understand and cope with piracy, you have to understand that it's something people are not aware of being theft. Or which is not "theft" in their consciousness. It's rather something you grab while passing by, because it's there, and largely publically available. And that's rather the real issue.

Btw, i know you were making a joke, but the car theft comparison displays once again the mistake in thinking. Using warez is like stealing the license to use the software (well, not even that... as the "license" is not something which is individually available...), not the software itself. That's why these kind of comparisons are not applicable at all. Not sure why they come up so frequently.

[Jace-BeOS]

They come up because people don't understand language, software licensing, and the differences between illegal software use and theft. It benefits entities like the RIAA for people to think that these are exactly the same concepts, even though they aren't.

In some ways, it makes sense to use the analogy to talk to people that think using software illegally is okay, because they likely don't understand licensing and software as an infinitely copiable entity anyway.

[murnau]

Thanks. Don't see much wrong with that statement though tbh. The most important point being that none of them earned big money by using warezed plugins. I think the view that they would be defending the artists, or piracy in general isn't really true anyway.

So the scene can keep the ball rolling? I'm afraid but since 99,99% of the warez users will never make big money in their life with music they can keep using warez now with the blessing of a dev? Where was the problem again?

Such a statemant from LD can only be explainable with one thing in mind: I guess the management of those millionaires transferred a significant sum to him (LD). Now that makes sense, anything else not. Would only be fair for both parts. Nah, of course not! LD is only a very friendly dev.

[deastman]

I think the car theft was an appropriate analogy. The whole point is that it illustrates the absurdity of looking at intellectual property theft as a victimless crime. You wouldn't feel that way about material goods such as a car, but software licenses are somehow fair game.

The reason people steal is simply because they can. If they can get away with it, with no personal risk, they will. Not everyone does this, obviously, or there would be no software industry, but a lot of people. It's just a sad commentary on the dark side of human nature.