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fluffy_little_something wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Okay, I pulled up the patch and played it all the way up and down the keyboard. Not only don't I hear this grinding you're talking about but at way upper registers I don't even hear any aliasing which really surprised me. Damn, this thing is rock solid.

Only thing I can think of it's one of 3 things.

1) You're not using the release version so it could be something that was fixed.

2) It's your computer. It can't handle this plugin.

3) It's your ears.

I don't know what to tell you. Patch is absolutely perfect on this end.
1) I am using the latest demo version I downloaded 3 or 4 days ago.

2) No, according to the Windows Task Manager one chord only uses about 7 % when I use Reaper.

3) While my hearing is not what it used to be 30 years ago, the problem is that I no longer hear everything that is there (i.e. things beyond 13 kHz), and not that I hear things that are not there.
Maybe it is your ears that don't let you hear what I am talking about. After all, when Urs says it might be the filter saturation, then you should definitely hear it as it would be a feature.
Okay, then why don't I do this. Make a recording of the patch playing all the way up and down the keyboard, post it up on Soundcloud, let you listen to it, and then you tell me if you hear the same thing that you're hearing on your end.

If you do, then it's simply a matter of what bothers you doesn't bother me, or, as it appears, anybody else here.

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Don't bother Wag, if others don't hear it or don't mind hearing it, it is fine with me. I don't rule out that I might be too sensitive about it, I do have an allergy to any kind of noise and distortion. As soon as a song has a distorted guitar in it, I turn it off because it hurts me.

If Urs cares, I have pinpointed what I think is the cause and provided screenshots. If he doesn't care, I don't care, either, as I have not bought Repro.

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Chris-S wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Strange thing: Like with Spire and other synths I hear an ugly grinding noise in Repro 5 when using two oscillators that are detuned by several semitones.
Confirmed. I think I'm also able to hear it although my ears have a treble drop. :D

Analysis in Span (note B6, FX and PWM off):
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B6 is already pretty high up, where I hardly hear the noise, if at all. I personally hear it best on the forth octave give and take a few keys.

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fluffy_little_something wrote:I don't that, is the drive in Legend also hardwired or can it be turned on and off?
I know you don't. Seems only I do, just like you hear this with Repro :lol:

It's also hardwired in Legend -
The Legend Manual wrote:After all sound sources have been mixed, the composite signal is sent to the filter. The Drive
knob adjusts the level of the signal going into the filter. This is an important parameter for the
overall sound character, since the filter saturates or even distorts the signal at higher Drive levels.
Note that even a low Drive setting can result in audible saturation, if all three oscillators are
active. In cases where this is not desirable, simply lower the oscillator volumes.
I expect it to work this way, I just don't expect it to sound so ugly/bad.

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Sorry, I had forgotten the word "remember", I don't remember Legend's drive.

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fluffy_little_something wrote:Don't bother Wag, if others don't hear it or don't mind hearing it, it is fine with me. I don't rule out that I might be too sensitive about it, I do have an allergy to any kind of noise and distortion. As soon as a song has a distorted guitar in it, I turn it off because it hurts me.

If Urs cares, I have pinpointed what I think is the cause and provided screenshots. If he doesn't care, I don't care, either, as I have not bought Repro.
Sorry, but I gotta know.

I saw the other member tested around B6. So I made a chord in that area.

Here is the sound file.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/repro5test

Here is the span readout.

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A standalone tool to convert Prophet 5 Sysex files (or banks as WAV files) to single patches for Repro-5 was just released (as beta):
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=496816

I just converted a commercial Prophet 5 Rev3 Sysex bank i bought long time ago for importing it into Arturia Prophet V.
Ingo Weidner
Win 10 Home 64-bit / mobile i7-7700HQ 2.8 GHz / 16GB RAM //
Live 10 Suite / Cubase Pro 9.5 / Pro Tools Ultimate 2021 // NI Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk1

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No, I don't hear any noise there.

Sounds like the final stage of Tinnitus before deafness 8)


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And here it is 2 octaves down.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/repro5test3

Sorry, but I have no clue what you're hearing.

No wonder you don't like any synths.

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wagtunes wrote:And here it is 2 octaves down.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/repro5test3

Sorry, but I have no clue what you're hearing.

No wonder you don't like any synths.
Do you really think I will waste my time again on your false quote of what I said... :roll:

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fluffy_little_something wrote:If Urs cares, I have pinpointed what I think is the cause and provided screenshots. If he doesn't care, I don't care, either, as I have not bought Repro.
It's not about caring or not caring. Or rather, it is about caring to stay true to the real thing... Repro emulates the original Prophet-5 circuits. This is likely a sideeffect of such circuit. Guess what, most real analog synths aren't squeaky clean like what you're used to from a good number of softsynths...

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@fluffy: There is a workaround: Lower the Osc volumes and compensate with the output level knob (or a volume booster in your plugin chain).

When the Osc levels are at 20 the noise level is reduced from -35 to -60 dB (relative to fundamental) or so.

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Chris-S wrote:@fluffy: There is a workaround: Lower the Osc volumes and compensate with the output level knob (or a volume booster in your plugin chain).

When the Osc levels are at 20 the noise level is reduced from -35 to -60 dB (relative to fundamental) or so.
In Repro-5 you can also further boost the output level using the "Sonic Conditioner" in the FX section.
Ingo Weidner
Win 10 Home 64-bit / mobile i7-7700HQ 2.8 GHz / 16GB RAM //
Live 10 Suite / Cubase Pro 9.5 / Pro Tools Ultimate 2021 // NI Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk1

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