Is anyone feeling Punk-Hop?

[topaz]

and how is this different to

1.english rappers thinking they are living in the projects.

2.american rappers blasting on about poverty and there starving african brothers while living in beverly hills mansions snorting ten tons of coke and wearing $200 trainers while dripping in gold ?

of coarse it's bollox

it's all hip-ocritical bollox.

In my opinion it's a stinking load of crap. Someone wanting to die for no given reason and blaming it on his playstation being taken away by his evil parents who love him. Sounds like Whinge Hop to me.

[spaceman]

I'm starting to understand the thread title though..

I'm getting a dodgy feeling in my bowels reading this thread

[pHz]

I'm not sure if many people here actually appreciate music as a whole.

you dont know usvery well then ...

There seem to be a few people who appreciate all kinds of music and can find some artistry in the various forms of music. Then there seems to be the crew that think just about eveything is shit. I'm beginning to wonder if they also think their own music is shit

dont we all (or am i just doing something wrong ??? )

I have always been able to find the art in just about anything whether that be Lyle Lovett or Kool G. Rap and DJ Polo. I know it's opinion based but how does one form the opnion that so many artists and types of music are shit?

problem here is taking the word 'shit' at face value ... read it as 'not my cup of tea' and things should start to make more sense ... people dont always (intentionally or otherwise) say what they actually mean

Maybe I'm a just a music junkie and will take a hit of anything to get a musical high.

nowt wrong with that

slainte rob

[kilroy]

I'm starting to understand the thread title though..

I'm getting a dodgy feeling in my bowels reading this thread

Yeah...kinda like you've been bleeding had, perhaps?






Missed seeing the trees for the...


Bloody brilliant piece of work.

[Sielsynth]

kilroy wrote:

spaceman wrote:

I'm starting to understand the thread title though..

I'm getting a dodgy feeling in my bowels reading this thread

Yeah...kinda like you've been bleeding had, perhaps?






Missed seeing the trees for the...

[/quote]

What have you two discovered? Are you thinking this stems from the whole crunk thing and our chains are being jerked to see what kinda responses can be had?

hmm.....

[kilroy]

Lambs...




lead...




slaughter.

[pHz]

What have you two discovered? Are you thinking this stems from the whole crunk thing and our chains are being jerked to see what kinda responses can be had?
hmm.....

never ?!?

slainte rob

[whyterabbyt]

Lady J quoth
Pay attention.

Why? Are you eventually going to say something interesting?

Crunk does not equal any of the stuff you mentioned.

Oh dearie me, did I get the name wrong. Oopsie.

This is not a CRUNK thread it's a Punk hop thread. two different genres.

Well, actually, since I was talking about previous punk/hip-hop crossover stuff, the fact that I used the wrong name for a sub-subgenre doesnt actually make any difference to what I said, does it? The concept of crossing punk and hip-hop has been done before. Fifteen years ago. End of story.

I notice you completely ignored that bit, though.

But you couldn't be bothered to read.

Actually that was narrative license. I did read the whole thread. Well I guess its far easier for you to try and make yourself look clever by picking up on something as banal as a mistake in the genre name than address my actual point, and its quite clear that if you'd read anything you would have worked out what I was talking about straight away.

Too busy pontificating to deal with any genuine points, huh? Or just trying to direct attention from the gross over-simplifications you keep making in order to 'prove' yourr pet theories?

[Emerald Tablet]

but punk is just blues played fast by scruffy looking pikey f**kers, init?

at times like this i`m just dying to hear you actualy SAY that.

who cares what the name is
good music is good music

[Lady J]

Lady J quoth
Pay attention.

Why? Are you eventually going to say something interesting?

Crunk does not equal any of the stuff you mentioned.

Oh dearie me, did I get the name wrong. Oopsie.

This is not a CRUNK thread it's a Punk hop thread. two different genres.

Well, actually, since I was talking about previous punk/hip-hop crossover stuff, the fact that I used the wrong name for a sub-subgenre doesnt actually make any difference to what I said, does it? The concept of crossing punk and hip-hop has been done before. Fifteen years ago. End of story.

I ignored it because you are wrong. It was done first by the Beastie Boys back in the 80s...I also ignored you because you have trouble following a thread. If you got the name wrong thats a sign you haven't been reading what we are talking about here. The fact is, there is alway someone who does something first. I mean who on this board knows who originally did "That's Alright Mama"...Hint, it wasn't elvis.

The point I am trying to make is that often people do something but it is years later before it is appreciated in the current context. A lot has happned between the Beastie Boys, Pauls Boutique album and today. Only today are a lot of kids picking up where they left off with Punk Hop. I never said the sound was new but the scene -is- new.

[pHz]

I ignored it because you are wrong. It was done first by the Beastie Boys back in the 80s...

so rick rubin is to blame for all this ??? i think by looking at this from just one side (ie - hip-hip adopting punk attitudes) youre being maybe a little blinkered ... there were also (as ive already mentioned) around that time (maybe a little earlier) bands around melding the two together from the other angle (ie - punk attitude adopting hip-hip elements) like the chillis and faith no more and PWEI in this country

I also ignored you because you have trouble following a thread. If you got the name wrong thats a sign you haven't been reading what we are talking about here. The fact is, there is alway someone who does something first. I mean who on this board knows who originally did "That's Alright Mama"...Hint, it wasn't elvis.

anyone who can use google ... arthur crudup wrote and recorded a version in 1946 ... whatever the details though most of us WOULD know that many early rock-n-roll songs came from earlier black artists re-recorded by the white boys to make them palatable to a contemporary mass audience ... it was a marketing tool (just like the punk-hop label no ??? ) ...

... theres also a difference between recording a cover version and claiming to be the progenitor of a subgenre of popular music

The point I am trying to make is that often people do something but it is years later before it is appreciated in the current context. A lot has happned between the Beastie Boys, Pauls Boutique album and today.

just out of interest ... why choose that album and not licensed to ill which is more OBVIOUSLY 'punk-hop' ???

Only today are a lot of kids picking up where they left off with Punk Hop. I never said the sound was new but the scene -is- new.

as a marketing genre for you and in the US perhaps ... as the rabbyt said ... weve had a thin strand of bands here for almost 20 years doing a SIMILAR thing (PWEI / CUSM / EMF / prodigy / etc) - we just hadnt conveniently labelled them

slainte rob

[CypherOne]

ooh I do like a new genre.

[.jon]

There's Music, and then there's Marketing.

Both totally respectable, challenging and fascinating forms of everyday human life - on their own. It's possible to mix them:

M + M = € + shit


IMO short-term subgenres do have a meaning, they tell the audience that someone did something cool and a bunch of pussies copied them.

[HanafiH]

ooh I do like a new genre.

I'm working on a fusion of Psychobilly, sadcore, ambient and Hip Hip called Sad Psychotic Hip Amputees.

[vurt]

who cares what the name is
good music is good music

wasnt going to reply but i noticed remco saying something sensible