Hyakken (HY Plugins) releases HY-POLY

[audiojunkie]

And that's the problem - none of the instruments I consider part of that "small handful" will run natively on Linux. Not one. Neither does any host I'd actually want to use. And my Roli Blocks won't work with it, either. And none of my hardware VST editors are available natively for Linux. The list is near endless. And that's before I start looking for a Linux Window Manager that can hold a candle to Windows 10's Start. So what I'd end up with are VSTi I don't want, running on a host I don't like, using controllers that aren't any good on an OS that doesn't work as well as the one I use now. Sign me up!

Yeah, that's the real pain in the butt. From what I understand, hooking up an audio interface to a Linux OS is also a hassle in that most of this is done through some workarounds. What might work in one sampling rate might not work in others and so on, it's a nightmare.

I'm not sure if Wine is a solution, it's apparently quite buggy. It's fairly easy to run Windows-based audio software on it from what I've heard, but who knows. If Wine became stable and reliable, then I would love to switch, but these are just hypotheticals. Maybe some day.

I promised myself that I was going to "let sleeping dogs lie", but I have to comment on this.... How hard is it to install a keyboard or a mouse on your computer? Seriously.

If you choose compatible equipment for your OS, you won't have any more problems than with any other OS. Full Stop.

Linux is fully compatible with any device that is Class Compliant. If fact, it is simply a matter of plug-n-play--just like a keyboard or a mouse. You plug it in, and it simply works. If you are not using a compatible piece of hardware, you will have problems hooking up an audio interface to Windows or OSX just as well. And it will also a hassle in that most of this is done through some workarounds. Wouldn't you agree?

Here's a simple trick to easily find "some" of the available Linux-supported equipment. Apple products have to be Class Compliant too--in particular, cards that support iOS. Any of these cards should be simply plug-n-play without having to do a single thing more than to plug it in.

Will you find exactly the piece of compatible hardware you are wanting to use? Possibly--depends on if the piece of hardware you are wanting is supporting industry accepted standards properly or not. But it is unfair state, "From what I understand...." and treat it as fact. Wouldn't you agree?

Now Reallly, really back to our regularly scheduled thread.... I mean it this time!!

[BONES]

You're judging Linux by how developed it was at the time you stopped using it twenty years ago?!?!?

I stopped using it on my own computer in 2002 but until 2008 my work laptop was set up with dual-boot so I could do product demos on Windows or Linux, depending on the customer. I've always kept an eye on it, because I really would love to be able to use it, but it's pretty much no better today than it was then. There are no good structured art packages (Adobe Illustrator/CorelDRAW type things) and definitely nothing for motion graphics (like After Effects) and, as I said, none of the music software that matters to me runs on Linux, either.

You DO realize that Windows 98 was the dominant Windows OS twenty years ago

So? I was dual-booting with NT4 at that time. So that's what I had to compare to. Today I'd be comparing it to Windows 10 if I was using it but I'm not using it because it doesn't support anything I want/need to run on my computer.

and was what you used for Pro Audio work? Of course you do! We've both been on this forum for nearly that long!

No, I was still using hardware for music back then. I used my computer for 3d modelling/animation and motion graphics. Music has never been the most taxing thing I use a computer for. I joined KVR when I started playing around with Fruityloops but I was still doing any serious work on my Trinity.

Seriously though.... Maybe you're happy with Windows.

No, how I feel about Windows is completely irrelevant. I am happy with Studio One, Korg's ARP Odyssey, bx_oberhausen, Union, JP6K, Concept, Hexeract and the other things listed in my signature. And it just so happens that they all run best on Windows, so that's what I use. I've said it many times before, in lots of different threads, that anyone who chooses their OS is an idiot. You choose your applications and plugins and they inform your decision about which OS to use.

But Linux TODAY is NOTHING like our grandma's Linux of yesteryear.

In every way that matters, it is EXACTLY the same as it was the first time I installed it on one of my computers, way back in 1998. (A few years before that I has been running OS/2 as my only OS, that's how long I have tried not to be using Windows.) I cannot think of a single application I use that wouldn't run on it back then that will run on it now and THAT is the only measure that has any meaning at all.

You're just arguing for argument's sake.

No, I am simply pointing out the reality of the situation.

Seriously, how about OSX? How about any OS that isn't Windows? Why not just say, "I bet OSX wouldn't work with my Zenbook Duo's dual screens."

Well, it wouldn't, would it? Worse, though, is that Studio One seems to be very unstable on macOS, so it doesn't get a look in, either.

There is nothing wrong with using Windows......or OSX......or iOS.... or Chrome, or Linux, or hardware or a rusty hillbilly banjo

Of course there is. Using the hillbilly banjo as an example - worst possible choice for the style of music we make. Yes, with enough processing, etc., I could probably make it work but why go to all that effort when I can just fire up Olga? Similarly, Linux would be a terrible choice for the applications I want to run. Yes, I could still make music but, like the banjo, it would require a shit ton of compromise and even more work I'd rather not have to do.

Now back to our regularly scheduled (and derailed) thread....

The good thing about these kinds of tangents/diversions is that it keeps the thread near the top of the lists. People may have no interest in our incoherent babbling but at least it keeps the name where people will see it.

If you choose compatible equipment for your OS, you won't have any more problems than with any other OS. Full Stop.

Simple question - why is your OS more important than your equipment? Why would you choose your OS first and then hunt around for equipment that it will work with? To me that makes absolutely no sense. Honestly, it's like choosing a car based on the paint colour. My list of priorities would be something like this, where total points need to add up to 100 -

1. Computer (specs, form factor), 25 points
2. Instruments (hardware and/or softsynths), 25 points
3. Host application, 25 points
4. Peripherals (I/O device, MIDI controllers), 20 points
5. OS, 5 points.

The OS is so unimportant that it feels wrong to even give it 5 points.

Linux is fully compatible with any device that is Class Compliant. If fact, it is simply a matter of plug-n-play--just like a keyboard or a mouse.

That's fine for basic functionality but my KeyStep, for example, comes with a software application that allows you to do amazing things with the on-board sequencer in real time. But that won't work on Linux. My Ultranova and my Uno's have software editors for Mac and Windows that make them far more useful to me but they won't work natively in Linux, either.

You plug it in, and it simply works. If you are not using a compatible piece of hardware, you will have problems hooking up an audio interface to Windows or OSX just as well.

No, you won't, because the vendor will supply you with drivers to make it work with Windows and macOS. e.g. The ASIO drivers you get with pretty much every I/O device or Roli Dashboard.

[audiojunkie]

Throughout all of this, you stated over and over why it does not work for “you”. Nothing wrong with that. It doesn’t work for you. Fine.

However, there is a growing group of people that Linux works great for. That it’s continually getting better for. That are finding that Linux meets their needs well, and that are happy with their choices.

You mentioned your apps that don’t work on Linux. No problem. We already established why “you” prefer Windows over other OSes. That’s ok! However, I’m partial to Reaper, Harrison, Uhe and Tal-Software, Disco DSP, Loomer, and Audio Damage products (as well as several other companies’ products)....all of which work perfectly in Linux. Annnnnnd, I like Linux. Just like you, my tools work perfectly for me, and my OS of choice is just icing on the cake. I like the open standards, community-driven philosophy of Linux, and I hate intrusive corporate meddling—I would never work well under Steve Jobs’ Apple walled garden. I hate restrictive corporate control (as well as restrictive copy protection that hurts the consumer more than the pirates). I LOVE choice, control and doing things my way. I love that freedom.

While “I” understand and even respect your reasoning, “I” don’t find that it works for “me”. We are two different types of consumers. Maybe that is why you are unable to see or understand “our” points of view.

Either way, we successfully co-exist on this forum, despite our differing points of view.

[BONES]

Are you suggesting I am the only person here who wants to keep using the host application they are using now? That every other person making music on their computer would be happy to ditch Cubase or Studio One or Live or Logic, just so they can rebuild their PC with Linux? Does that really seem likely? Because it seems most unlikely to me, so it follows that my attitude towards the issue is very likely most people's attitude. Otherwise, Linux would have market share, wouldn't it? But it doesn't have any market share to speak of because nobody cares, they just want a computer that works and runs the programs and peripherals they want to use.

You say it works for you but you don't provide any reasoning. On your incredible coincidence that all your favourite plugins miraculously have Linux versions, I call bullshit. Pure, unadulterated bullshit. You cannot possibly suggest that there is not one piece of software for Windows that you wish you could get on Linux. Because when you do a database search here on KVR, you get 22 pages of results for Linux and 632 pages for Windows. How likely is it that every instrument you desire is confined to that 3.5% of products in the database? Its orders of magnitude more likely that most people, like me, will find nothing of value for Linux among that tiny slice of products. So you can make it as personal as you want, it doesn't change the probabilities one bit.

And if you think back to how this started, it was because Teksonik said he was using Linux for some things but still used Windows for music. My question was why would you any OS if you couldn't use it for everything you need to do on your computer. He won't answer because he knows he doesn't have any logical reasons, because none exist.

[FapFilter]

I personally don't care at all which OS i'm using.
I click somewhere and something happens. This is true for all OSes that are using a mouse driven interface.
I use Windows, because all the stuff i like and use is running on it. I'm not preferring it per se. I could aswell perfectly live with the fact that i was running OS X (overpriced for my tastes though), Linux, or the Atari or Amiga OSes if they were still a thing today.

Of course privacy can be an issue on some of them more than on others, but as Bones has already has covered: if you want privacy, don't use the internet

[crickey13]

If you choose compatible equipment for your OS, you won't have any more problems than with any other OS. Full Stop.

I would love to hook up my audio interface to a Linux OS, which is more important than a keyboard or a mouse, however, Focusrite doesn't offer drivers for Linux AFAIK. Quite a few companies offered drivers for Linux-based devices back in the day, in the early 2010s, now it's only a handful of them. Is this really a simple case of plug-n-play in the case of audio interfaces too? From what I've read, setting up an audio interface on a Linux OS is a pain in the butt, but whatever.

[audiojunkie]

If you choose compatible equipment for your OS, you won't have any more problems than with any other OS. Full Stop.

I would love to hook up my audio interface to a Linux OS, which is more important than a keyboard or a mouse, however, Focusrite doesn't offer drivers for Linux AFAIK. Quite a few companies offered drivers for Linux-based devices back in the day, in the early 2010s, now it's only a handful of them. Is this really a simple case of plug-n-play in the case of audio interfaces too? From what I've read, setting up an audio interface on a Linux OS is a pain in the butt, but whatever.

In an attempt to not further derail the OP's thread, and (hopefully) get it back on track, I've responded in a better thread for Linux discussions, here:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=160807&p=8195330#p8195330

Anyone with comments, questions, concerns, etc., regarding Linux, please feel free to continue there.

To the OP: Sorry for the thread derail!

[audiojunkie]

To those who have forgotten the original poster's topic, here it is:

New synth from Hyakken

https://www.kvraudio.com/news/hy-plugin ... poly-48891

[glokraw]

My question was why would you any OS if you couldn't use it for everything you need to do on your computer.

It's about freedom to meet ones own needs and desires. I have one linux for editing audio, another one for IK and NI products, another one mainly for U-he and other linux native music apps, and another one for office and gaming duties. I have one with battery power, with few moving parts, for the coming brownouts. Where the UNO will shine. I have a couple of windows setups that I can use for ilok and reg-challenged products like AIR aiep3, korg M1, Reason Rack, izotope products, and for firmware updates. The linux setups each have custom system gui's suitable for the tasks at hand, and themed visuals that I like.

In a different comparison, I have a collector car, an economy car, a 4-wheel-drive suv-like starship, and a couple '70s vehicles awaiting restoration. I take the suv on vacation, date-nights, and bad weather, but use the eco rig for daily runarounds, and the collectormobile rolls on holidays and for local car shows.

You have a custom setup, you need it, you like it, and it works.
Long live windows 10, and long live alternatives

[Halonmusic]

To those who have forgotten the original poster's topic, here it is:

New synth from Hyakken

https://www.kvraudio.com/news/hy-plugin ... poly-48891

[Biome_Digital]

If you choose compatible equipment for your OS, you won't have any more problems than with any other OS. Full Stop.

I would love to hook up my audio interface to a Linux OS, which is more important than a keyboard or a mouse, however, Focusrite doesn't offer drivers for Linux AFAIK. Quite a few companies offered drivers for Linux-based devices back in the day, in the early 2010s, now it's only a handful of them. Is this really a simple case of plug-n-play in the case of audio interfaces too? From what I've read, setting up an audio interface on a Linux OS is a pain in the butt, but whatever.

In an attempt to not further derail the OP's thread, and (hopefully) get it back on track, I've responded in a better thread for Linux discussions, here:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=160807&p=8195330#p8195330

Anyone with comments, questions, concerns, etc., regarding Linux, please feel free to continue there.

To the OP: Sorry for the thread derail!

Nice one, this got completely off topic!

[BONES]

I have one linux for editing audio, another one for IK and NI products, another one mainly for U-he and other linux native music apps, and another one for office and gaming duties.
I have one with battery power, with few moving parts, for the coming brownouts. Where the UNO will shine. I have a couple of windows setups that I can use for ilok and reg-challenged products like AIR aiep3, korg M1, Reason Rack, izotope products, and for firmware updates. The linux setups each have custom system gui's suitable for the tasks at hand, and themed visuals that I like.

You do realise that a set-up like that is completely f**king ridiculous, don't you? In fact, I'd go as far as to call it an obscene indulgence. I have one computer that is good enough for everything I need to do on it and will weather power outages with aplomb (because it's a laptop). I just bought a new one and do you know what I did with the old one? I gave it away to someone who needed it more than I did. Most before that I resold so that someone else can get use from them. Same reason I sell hardware once the shine wears off - I'd rather see it go to a good home where it will get regular use than to have it slowly rot away under a cloth in a cupboard, just because it makes me feel good to keep it around.

I sort of went down this path earlier this year - I bought a Surface Pro to use live because I didn't feel my ginormous gaming laptop was up to doing double-duty in both studio and on stage. I pretty quickly came to the realisation that the compromises inherent in trying to work on two separate computers far outweighed any benefits so I bought another laptop that does a good job of both things, plus all the other things I need to do on my computer, and got rid of the others. Yes, doing that involved some small compromises (small drop in power over the gaming laptop) but they are much easier to live with than trying to make things work across two different computers.

In a different comparison, I have a collector car, an economy car, a 4-wheel-drive suv-like starship, and a couple '70s vehicles awaiting restoration. I take the suv on vacation, date-nights, and bad weather, but use the eco rig for daily runarounds, and the collectormobile rolls on holidays and for local car shows.

So, basically, you're a hoarder! Again, to me that is an obscene indulgence and I've always thought that anyone who owns more than one car has simply bought the wrong car and won't admit it. I have one car that does all those things you mentioned, all to a more than acceptable standard. It has taken me more than 40 years of car ownership to finally find the exact right car for all my needs but I got there eventually. (Yes, my current car is the first one I feel is exactly the right car for me, although I have come close a few times in the past. There is a new one out later in the year, which I will probably buy next year, if it is as good as it seems. That will almost certainly be my last ever car purchase so am I am looking at keeping it for 20+ years.)

[Tj Shredder]

I am looking at keeping it for 20+ years.

I bet Hy-Poly isn‘t a good emulation of your car, but as you can‘t hear it in the mix...
I have no other idea how to get you back on topic again… please…

[Halonmusic]

not sure if mentioned already, but the filters sounds really nice!

[Norqa]

You do realise that a set-up like that is completely f**king ridiculous, don't you? In fact, I'd go as far as to call it an obscene indulgence.

As ridiculous as it sounds I am sure a fair amount of users have adopted that approach with success.
It takes a highly organised mind to even try, not that I have the discipline.

Schemes like that can often take the musician on a journey which they may never recover from but for the lucky few who knows?