GForce OB-1

[IvyBirds]

I know a fair number of professional musicians thank you very much, none of them talk like you tbh.

Awesome, but you don't know me or my setup or how I work and yet you laughably made ignorant comments about using a Montage

My guess is you don't talk to the musicians you know like you did to me and then play the victim

[IvyBirds]

DP

[pekbro]

DP

I just made a silly joke at an obvious troll, not an ignorant comment as it's quite
literally accurate. I don't see any argument you can make where having to move
or mess with the setup of that thing is not going to delay you in some fashion.

I see you as a troll, since you seem to be in the center of numerous arguments
stressing the importance of your preferences and opinions, as you brook those
of others.

[IvyBirds]

DP

I just made a silly joke at an obvious troll, not an ignorant comment as it's quite
literally accurate.

Explain to me how using a Montage in your setup is not immediate but using other hardware synths are? Only a troll would make that claim and then play the victim. Yet you say it's literally accurate so explain

My last gig was Saturday night. When I got home I put my Montage back on its stand and went to bed. Sunday when I wanted to work on some sound design work it was ready to go. My Next Gig is Friday night, so when I go to leave I will spend 15 seconds unplugging 3 cables and putting it in a case. In between those times it's fully connected ready to go when I actually go into my studio to be creative

I see you as a troll, since you seem to be in the center of numerous arguments
stressing the importance of your preferences and opinions, as you brook those
of others.

I wouldn't be in the center of any arguments if people like yourself didn't act like trolls and choose to argue with me

To you however my options and first hand experiences don't matter to you they are just things to be attacked and made into silly jokes

All I did was share my opinion one you chose to mock and turn into a silly joke, but according to you I am the troll

Yet I am not the one arguing that Software Sucks on a forum dedicated to software.

[_leras]

Only a complete f**king moron would believe that. You only have two hands so, at most, you can adjust two knobs at once but most of the time you can only adjust one parameter at a time, just like a softsynth and a mouse.


Honestly, I don't understand why all this stuff isn't completely obvious to anyone with even half a brain. It's OK to love your hardware, I love mine, but that doesn't actually make it objectively better in any way - it doesn't sound better and it sure as hell requires a lot more patience and dedication.

Well... On a hardware synth you can jump between multiple controls at the same time quite easily and get a good performance. (Or a bad one, or a really long one for chopping out good parts later).

For me, with a mouse I end up with a different process, more revisions of the sound being used, which is a good thing, and more automation, also good in some ways, but also not quite the same as being hands on.

Pros and cons. More chance of some magic with more hands on, even with softsynths and a controller.

[stoopicus]

Honestly, I don't understand why all this stuff isn't completely obvious to anyone with even half a brain. It's OK to love your hardware, I love mine, but that doesn't actually make it objectively better in any way - it doesn't sound better and it sure as hell requires a lot more patience and dedication.

Big +1 to this.

I tried last year to get back in to hardware synths. And by that I mean I really tried - I bought three and spent a lot of time working on DAW audio and MIDI routings for them. And as much as I tried it just reinforced how much I am spoiled in my workflow with softsynths - I just like working with them so much better. The relative convenience is just so much greater IMO.

This is really a personal and subjective thing and tied a lot to how one likes to work.

[Scotty]

Some prefer not to be tied to a laptop or monitor as it reminds them too much of work. Even DAWs look like spreadsheets these days. IF ( caps intentional) the hardware is close to a one for one control scheme it CAN be more immediately satisfying. The case for hardware in terms of practicality and sonics is very hard to make.I personally enjoy modular synthesis and appreciate its limitations but I like working with my hands and the endless tinkering it invites but that is a luxury of time and money that is not available to some. For more practical people with more immediate needs I don’t imagine it to be appealing.

Honestly, I don't understand why all this stuff isn't completely obvious to anyone with even half a brain. It's OK to love your hardware, I love mine, but that doesn't actually make it objectively better in any way - it doesn't sound better and it sure as hell requires a lot more patience and dedication.

Big +1 to this.

I tried last year to get back in to hardware synths. And by that I mean I really tried - I bought three and spent a lot of time working on DAW audio and MIDI routings for them. And as much as I tried it just reinforced how much I am spoiled in my workflow with softsynths - I just like working with them so much better. The relative convenience is just so much greater IMO.

This is really a personal and subjective thing and tied a lot to how one likes to work.

[BONES]

Well... On a hardware synth you can jump between multiple controls at the same time quite easily and get a good performance.

Why can't you do that with software? In fact, I'd suggest it is much more easily achieved with software than with hardware.

For me, with a mouse I end up with a different process, more revisions of the sound being used, which is a good thing, and more automation, also good in some ways, but also not quite the same as being hands on.

Feels like exactly the same thing to me. Perhaps it is a failure of your imagination?

Pros and cons. More chance of some magic with more hands on, even with softsynths and a controller.

My experience it completely and utterly the opposite. I am far more creative working ITB than I ever was in hardware, simply because there are far fewer barriers between me and what I want to achieve.

This is really a personal and subjective thing and tied a lot to how one likes to work.

I have a sneaking suspicion it is probably tied more to whether or not you actually want to achieve anything, or if you are just idling away the hours.

Some prefer not to be tied to a laptop or monitor as it reminds them too much of work.

If that's true, those people can't be very creative and, therefore, might be better off taking up a different hobby.

Even DAWs look like spreadsheets these days.

Not as much as my Korg Trinity did and it had the best interface of any hardware sequencer I ever used.

IF ( caps intentional) the hardware is close to a one for one control scheme it CAN be more immediately satisfying.

Not if it has patch memory, because the positions of the controls will not tell you anything about the current values of the parameters, so you'll need to go searching for the current value if you need to make changes.

[stoopicus]

This is really a personal and subjective thing and tied a lot to how one likes to work.

I have a sneaking suspicion it is probably tied more to whether or not you actually want to achieve anything, or if you are just idling away the hours.

Well - I won’t judge others workflows here but for me that is 100% true. I am much much more productive at actually getting something done with software than I am with hardware. It’s not even close.

[ramseysounds]

Anyway. OB-1 is a great synth. Infectious from the get go and making its way into my tracks already.

[stoopicus]

Anyway. OB-1 is a great synth. Infectious from the get go and making its way into my tracks already.

+1, it sounds great. I am really likely to get both it and their DMX at some point this year, their stuff is great.

[IvyBirds]

IF ( caps intentional) the hardware is close to a one for one control scheme it CAN be more immediately satisfying.

You can only get a one to one control experience with very basic 1970s and early 1980s style analog synths, as once you go deeper than that you introduce menu diving

Those same 1970s Synths and early 1980s synths are heavily represented in software emulations as we see in the topic of this very thread

As such they are also dead simple to program knob and fader encrusted MIDI controllers to make into a hands on one to one control experience, and do so exactly how you like it, and use that same controller with the same exact knobs and faders to control multiple Synths

That's the logical fallacy the Hardware Only guys engage in when they dismiss software. They have to pretend that a mouse is the only controller available when if they really want hands on controls and not just say they do online they would embrace software as it can offer far more hands on controls for far less money

[beely]

Or maybe there are pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages, strengths and weaknesses of both approaches. Use whatever methods and tools work for you, in whatever context it's appropriate...

[IvyBirds]

Or maybe there are pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages, strengths and weaknesses of both approaches. Use whatever methods and tools work for you, in whatever context it's appropriate...

Like everything in life there is, but this a thread about a software synth, on a forum dedicated to software instruments

So shit posting about how hardware is superior and how you can only use a mouse to operate software Synths is just plain dumb

[El°HYM]

As if it wouldnt even make any sense to just use both.