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TheWall · Post by **TheWall** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:21 pm

jens wrote:yes, of course preference can't be argued - and the more options the better - but the sequencers which are by Tracktion-users often called to have 'window-clutter' and an 'old fashioned hardware-style-mixer' are in fact the sequencers which have much more options that Tracktion and you can configure them to your way of working while Tracktion forces you to work in a certain way.

Losing mixer right from the start gives Tracktion a possiblity to NOT follow the big sequencers - hopefully T2 will remian that way but I'm starting to doubt it as well.

Tracktion is meant to be a break-away by disobeying some of the generally established rules deliberately. That's what sets T1 apart from the rest of the sequencers. That's why it's refreshing.

Don't like it? there's Sonar, Cubase and Logic for who don't like Tracktion anyway...

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:25 pm

TheWall wrote:
Don't like it? there's Sonar, Cubase and Logic for who don't like Tracktion anyway...

And FL Studio Producer wall

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

rokkon · Post by **rokkon** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:27 pm

i can't find out how to transpose midi clips or selection... i must be really blind, can anyone give me a hint?

TheWall · Post by **TheWall** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:29 pm

Spe3D wrote:
TheWall wrote:
Don't like it? there's Sonar, Cubase and Logic for who don't like Tracktion anyway...
And FL Studio Producer wall

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

Right. eXT has the potential too.
p.s.: The time-stretch of FLS5 is really good. Hopefully T2 will license the algo too.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:29 pm

TheWall wrote:
jens wrote:yes, of course preference can't be argued - and the more options the better - but the sequencers which are by Tracktion-users often called to have 'window-clutter' and an 'old fashioned hardware-style-mixer' are in fact the sequencers which have much more options that Tracktion and you can configure them to your way of working while Tracktion forces you to work in a certain way.
Losing mixer right from the start gives Tracktion a possiblity to NOT follow the big sequencers - hopefully T2 will remian that way but I'm starting to doubt it as well.

Tracktion is meant to be a break-away by disobeying some of the generally established rules deliberately. That's what sets T1 apart from the rest of the sequencers. That's why it's refreshing.

Don't like it? there's Sonar, Cubase and Logic for who don't like Tracktion anyway...

I love many aspects of Tracktion - but for instance that it doesn't have a mixer is still a minus in comparision to e.g. Sonar, not a plus.

Personally I don't like mixers b.t.w. - I always mixed with Sonar the way I (am forced to) mix with Tracktion.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:32 pm

rokkon wrote:i can't find out how to transpose midi clips or selection... i must be really blind, can anyone give me a hint?

First select the notes you want transpose and then chose 'transpose' from the menu at the bottom of the screen

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:34 pm

TheWall wrote:
Right. eXT has the potential too.
p.s.: The time-stretch of FLS5 is really good. Hopefully T2 will license the algo too.

Actually eXT is a must for any hosts enhancement. though you are correct, can be SA too.

My fav is the AutoClips, this is the addictive bit, I have not really had too much of a go with the time stretch yet, but I can see me making good use of it in the future as part of pad creation.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:35 pm

Gotta say i agree with Jens on the mixer, i need my sends/bus options, but as Wall said it IS a new approach, so...

Marco

TheWall · Post by **TheWall** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:42 pm

jens wrote: Personally I don't like mixers b.t.w. - I always mixed with Sonar the way I (am forced to) mix with Tracktion.

I won't be surprised if there's a mixer in T2, since it'd make the integration with Mackie's hardware more easily. I just hope it'll be truely optional with no features that are exclusively bonded with the new mixer, otherwise it'll start influencing the way Tracktion will be heading into - most likely in a bad way.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:44 pm

Bonteburg wrote:Gotta say i agree with Jens on the mixer, i need my sends/bus options, but as Wall said it IS a new approach, so...

Marco

What I meant was: with e.g. Sonar it's up to you if you use a mixer or not because there is one but you can also mix with it Tracktion-style (with Cubase and Logic as well) - personally I don't need but others do...

Again: there is nothing new about the way you mix with Tracktion - I already did it with Sonar long before Tracktion existed at all.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:45 pm

TheWall wrote:
jens wrote: Personally I don't like mixers b.t.w. - I always mixed with Sonar the way I (am forced to) mix with Tracktion.

I won't be surprised if there's a mixer in T2, since it'd make the integration with Mackie's hardware more easily. I just hope it'll be truely optional with no features that are exclusively bonded with the new mixer, otherwise it'll start influencing the way Tracktion will be heading into - most likely in a bad way.

I totally agree

TheWall · Post by **TheWall** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:50 pm

Spe3D wrote: Actually eXT is a must for any hosts enhancement. though you are correct, can be SA too.

Can't agree more. Any self-respect patching-freak should have one.

Spe3D wrote:My fav is the AutoClips, this is the addictive bit

TBH, I'm not sure about it. It looks great(gol is one of the very few programmers that have a great aesthetic taste - like Jules), but it seems to be limited to control one parameter per clip. If that's really the case, it can be a mess when arranging an amount of clips.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:02 pm

TheWall wrote:
TBH, I'm not sure about it. It looks great(gol is one of the very few programmers that have a great aesthetic taste - like Jules), but it seems to be limited to control one parameter per clip. If that's really the case, it can be a mess when arranging an amount of clips.

Ah! No, the linking up is rather like existing automation in that respect – you could have one AutoClip assigned to many many controls – or more than one clip to the same control, though with the second, you would need to spread that option out so they don’t over lap.

Plus the AutoClip can be altered to become a LFO via the channel settings, for smooth automation curves that repeat over time – masses of stuff with autoclips – totally addictive

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

TheWall · Post by **TheWall** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:07 pm

Thanks for the tip!

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:07 pm

jens wrote: What I meant was: with e.g. Sonar it's up to you if you use a mixer or not because there is one but you can also mix with it Tracktion-style (with Cubase and Logic as well) - personally I don't need but others do...

Unfortunately mixing "Tracktion-Style" in Cubase or Logic is impossible as you can only see the parameters of one track at once (without the mixer being opened that is). The linked channel strips both in SX and Logic (no matter which version) are a) allways following your track selection and b) too huge anyways.

I can see some serious advantages in the Tracktion way (don't know about Sonar, it allways scared me off majorly because of it's ugliness), but no matter how we put it: There's good reasons for BOTH methods, working mixerless AND working with a dedicated mixer.
The same is true for "in place editing". There's very good reasons to have this ALONG a dedicated MIDI editor, instead of limiting yourself to one option only.

If it was for me, the "super sequencer" should steal a lot of ergonomics from Logic (tool handling, variety of tools - where's the velocity tool in all the others?!? - window management, configurable mixer), some layouts as well (I think Logic is very pleasant to look at, but YMMV on that) some technical features from SX (extremely flawless VST integration, time stretching functions, great audio cycle recording as of lately), and a few other bits here and there, such as the easy to overview interface of Tracktion and its flawless mixerless operation (as said, as an alternative). Oh, and I certainly wouldn't mind Samplitude's liquid audio functions.
Uhmmm... and I also wouldn't mind if it came with a comprehensive and GOOD sounding package of bread and butter effects (and maybe synths). SX's onboard FX are nothing else but a shame.

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