Massive X 1.6.1 update (September 2025)!

[Daru925]

Like someone said earlier activating the ANIMATOR completely destroys the undo history in ableton.
If i activate ANIMATOR, the undo limit is reached quickly, meaning i cant undo anything else, like a filter position or any parameter in any other device in my project, because that animator thingy is always running and clogging the undo pipe looool so stupid.
The only way to use the animator would be WHEN i need it, and not forget to turn it off because it will ruin the entire project history.

Good idea, but of course we can't have nice things anymore without 15646564451354 hiccups first.

[noiseboyuk]

I like it.

I've never got on with MX. I realise many rave about the sound, but it has always sounded a bit cold and sterile to me. A lacklustre 1.0 factory library didn't help. Since then there has been a drip of steady improvements to the library and lots of expansions in Komplete.

Now I know the new Player page is just a trick but it's a good one. That unappetising UI had a bigger effect on me than I thought, cos in 1.6 for the first time ever with the Player page I found myself having fun. And there are MUCH better starting points with patches now. The browser is still pretty bad, but it has improved and auditioning patches is now not a chore.

To me 1.6 feels like the tipping point form purist into mass appeal.

[Teksonik]

Okay I just did the update...meh. Nothing in there for me.
It required Native Access to be updated and that brought their NTKDaemon.exe spyware back:.

Yeah, it's not spyware though. It does however seem unnecessary- at least disabling it doesn't seem to have any major impact.
The oft repeated explanation for its ultimate purpose seems pretty tepid for something that is constantly running. But calling it spyware is a bit of an overreaction imo.

What else would you call an .exe that is constantly sending who knows what data for who knows what purpose to third party sites without your permission?

It sends and receives data even when Native Access is not running, even when you have no N.I. plugins running and even if you don't have a DAW open.

What possible legitimate reason could it have to be running in the background sending data? Do you know what data it is sending and receiving?

I have about 400 plugins on my studio system from probably two dozen different companies and none of those other developers need to be data mining our systems. So neither does NI. Just because we buy some software from a company that doesn't give them the right or permission to do whatever they wish to our systems. I don't how that could possibly be a controversial stance.

The fact that NI plugins work just fine when the NTKDaemon.exe is moved tells us it's not a critical component for them to function.

So yeah if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck. Calling it spyware is not an "overreaction" it's a technically accurate description:

Spyware.png

Ignoring what it's doing is blind trust in a world where trust is rarely deserved, especially when it comes to the activities of for profit businesses.

If you don't care about the security of your data and your music production computer then just ignore it at your own risk. I do care which is why I will continue to either move or disable the NTKDaemon whenever it comes back. If they ever block our ability to disable the spyware then I will uninstall everything from NI and move on. Nothing I own from them is mission critical.

[Teksonik]

I've never got on with MX. I realise many rave about the sound, but it has always sounded a bit cold and sterile to me.

That's where I am at now. I'm really trying to like Massive X but so far it's struggling to find a place in my starting line up.

Not because its a bad synth but because I have so many other options at my disposal that I find better sounding and are more feature rich.

[revvy]

The oft repeated explanation for its ultimate purpose seems pretty tepid for something that is constantly running.

I don't follow NI stuff much these days. What is the 'oft repeated explanation for its ultimate purpose'?

I just renamed it, then updated something via NA and sure enough, the little bastard is reinstalled under its correct name and still running when I shut NI/DAW applications.

[Dalle]

What possible legitimate reason could it have to be running in the background sending data? Do you know what data it is sending and receiving?

It’s probably necessary for automatically installing the updates that break their products

[Aloysius]

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

[bmanic]

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

Hopefully this was sarcastic. Probably was.. but just in case:

That's the mindset that leads to a true low-trust society, societal collapse and totalitarianism. I'd rather be vigilant and speak up when my rights are being eroded.

[BBFG#]

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

Hopefully this was sarcastic. Probably was.. but just in case:

That's the mindset that leads to a true low-trust society, societal collapse and totalitarianism. I'd rather be vigilant and speak up when my rights are being eroded.

And it's not about trust, it's about control. My system is working much better now that I have identified and not installed certain companies and their "managers". NI/IKM/UVI-ILok are at the top of my list of untrustworthy companies. Doesn't matter how good their plugins are when the cost of them is our submission to their ideology.

[El°HYM]

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

That's the mindset that leads to a true low-trust society, societal collapse and totalitarianism. I'd rather be vigilant and speak up when my rights are being eroded.

^ Very important message! Stand up for your rights now.

[Vortifex]

For me the Player page is just 'ok'. It presents a nice relatively empty space for people who are bewildered by the main interface (something I'll never understand, it looks fine to me), but personally I don't find it all that useful.

I'm just happy with the one-click preset browsing. Weird how such a simple thing has made the synth feel so much better. I don't know if it's my new PC but the interface lag has been reduced. There's still a momentary graphic freeze of the DAW when opening the interface or changing presets but it's milliseconds now.

[idoru97214]

... the cost of them is our submission to their ideology.

God, that mindset just seems exhausting. Have fun, fighting the 'machine.'

[Cuauhtli]

What do you get for pretending the danger's not real?
Meek and obedient, you follow the leader
Down well trodden corridors, into the valley of steel
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes
Now things are really what they seem
No, this is not a bad dream - RW

Some people employed or own stock in palantir here?

[revvy]

JHC. RW, man. That's deep.

[liquidsound]

Okay I just did the update...meh. Nothing in there for me.
It required Native Access to be updated and that brought their NTKDaemon.exe spyware back:.

Yeah, it's not spyware though. It does however seem unnecessary- at least disabling it doesn't seem to have any major impact.
The oft repeated explanation for its ultimate purpose seems pretty tepid for something that is constantly running. But calling it spyware is a bit of an overreaction imo.

What else would you call an .exe that is constantly sending who knows what data for who knows what purpose to third party sites without your permission?

It sends and receives data even when Native Access is not running, even when you have no N.I. plugins running and even if you don't have a DAW open.

What possible legitimate reason could it have to be running in the background sending data? Do you know what data it is sending and receiving?

I have about 400 plugins on my studio system from probably two dozen different companies and none of those other developers need to be data mining our systems. So neither does NI. Just because we buy some software from a company that doesn't give them the right or permission to do whatever they wish to our systems. I don't how that could possibly be a controversial stance.

The fact that NI plugins work just fine when the NTKDaemon.exe is moved tells us it's not a critical component for them to function.

So yeah if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck. Calling it spyware is not an "overreaction" it's a technically accurate description:


Spyware.png


Ignoring what it's doing is blind trust in a world where trust is rarely deserved, especially when it comes to the activities of for profit businesses.

If you don't care about the security of your data and your music production computer then just ignore it at your own risk. I do care which is why I will continue to either move or disable the NTKDaemon whenever it comes back. If they ever block our ability to disable the spyware then I will uninstall everything from NI and move on. Nothing I own from them is mission critical.

Can you apply a Firewall Rule to block it from accessing the internet?