Why do some synths have the notorious "click" with a static phase sine wave, and some don't?

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Did a quick click-test with Surge-XT. Unfortunately this synth does not have an initial osc phase knob.

But some of the many waveforms do not start at zero level. A good click you get with the Sine-oscillator and shape Wave 9:
clicktest-surge.jpg
This is a 3 sample attack, that's very short.

But is a clicking envelope needed to synthesize a good kick drum? I don't think so.
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Chris-S wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:22 am But is a clicking envelope needed to synthesize a good kick drum? I don't think so.
I don't think so either. Comparatively, you have a relatively small envelope on a kick drum, and, you can always add some transient sounds on top of it, which won't be that fast either.

I really like that clicky-ness on some sounds though. And, I also hear it a lot in the music I hear. I think most of the analog synths have a very fast attack.

As I mentioned, you can't do anything about it if it isn't there, but you can get rid of it when it is. IMO, developers should really consider having fast attack times on the envelopes, and also in the synth engine itself. E.g., LFO modulation can benefit from it as well. It can add a lot of versatility, while having no negative effects really.

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