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ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:29 pm

largo is named a after a james bond villian fer chirssake

length or wide has diddly to do with it

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:37 pm

Nice smile .

MaxSynths wrote:

standalone wrote:And there is nothing wrong in liking it or not . It has a very peculiar sound and I guess it's not for everyone's taste .
Wow you understood finally!

No , I wasn't one of the fan boys .

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:41 pm

standalone wrote:No , I wasn't one of the fan boys .

Uh sorry

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:46 pm

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:55 pm

DocT wrote:It seems to be a basic need of VSTI users to express their disappointment about presets, though nobody uses them
I haven't seen a release of a synth in the last years where the presets didn't suck. It doesn't matter who programmed them, it doesn't matter how many are included, they basically suck and everybody does better than these dumb factory sound programmers

I know that the generalization that you've made there isn't meant to be taken literally and I guess that what you're really saying is that it's impossible to please everyone?

Even so, I've bought VST's just on the strength of the presets before - Zebra being one. I don't know about 'dumb factory sound programmers' - Howard's on Zebra are as good as they get IMO. Loads of good stuff in Reaktor too and Goldbaby's material for Guru is top notch etc.

I've gone through the Largo demo soundset (and good on Waldorf for providing a demo and one with a decent demo period at that) and what struck me was that I never really thought 'now that's an interesting sound, how's that done?'. I expect a pro soundset to be a spur to inspiration for us 'ordinary punters', a tangible step up in quality compared with the kind of sounds that I could come up with myself. Sorry, but I just didn't get that with the Largo demo. It all seemed just fairly average, old-hat, predictable stuff.

If it's any consolation I thought that your presets were the better of the bunch, being more varied, polished and usable. And this obviously just one POV. I'm sure there'll be those who disagree.

I'm pretty much with Max Synths regarding Largo. Can't really hear what all the fuss is about. Well, horses for courses an all that.

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:19 pm

ericj23 wrote:length or wide has diddly to do with it

That's what she said!

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:20 am

The presets sucks in every synth, btw. If in Largo was bread and butter presets, then you would say "Ah, they sucks". In Largo presets are newer and sound nothing like common sounds in Zebra, Surge and so on. Sure largo presets mostly cover electronic genres. If you want to hear vintage sucks sounds, then go for Minimoog.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:23 am

And btw, how those people can judge the whole synth capabilities by presets, if they never created their own presets?

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:08 am

MaxSynths wrote:

as i read it in another forum :

As sensitive as a rusty scalpel !

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:21 am

Igro wrote:The presets sucks in every synth, btw.

In your opinion, but not mine (see my previous post)

If in Largo was bread and butter presets, then you would say "Ah, they sucks".

That sort of was my point - the presets are nothing special, like I said pretty predictable, old hat etc.

In Largo presets are newer

In your opinion. Not so sure what you mean really. What's your definition of a 'newer' sound? I didn't hear any dustep wobble basses, or minimal type effects (not that either's my thing, but they're the only current genres that I can think of that have anything like a definitive synth sound).

and sound nothing like common sounds in Zebra,

Agreed

which is for old folks suited who just can't accept something new.

...erm? (yeah and you forgot that old folk all stink of...) my argument is that on this evidence Largo really isn't anything new at all. It's pretty much seen it all before, done better etc...

Sure largo presets mostly cover electronic genres. If you want to hear vintage sucks sounds, then go for Minimoog.

Where did anyone say that the Largo soundset wasn't 'vintage' enough? If anything I'd say the presets are too conventional.

And btw, how those people can judge the whole synth capabilities by presets, if they never created their own presets?

You're right, they can't, which is one reason why a factory soundset should attempt to explore the full dynamic and timbrel range of the synth. Of course all of the presets will not please all of the people all of the time, they need not even all be useful (bread-and-butter), but some of them should at least impress (perhaps cake-and-cream rather then bread-and-butter) and, at the same time, give a good all around account of the synth's capabilities.

As an ordinary punter I'm left thinking that where a pro designer can't get sounds that I find inspiring out of 'X' synth, then what are the chances that I will be able to do so?

Anyhow, you obviously really love Largo Igro, which is great. I think it has some good qualities and some not so good. Oh well.

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:52 am

hakey wrote:As an ordinary punter I'm left thinking that where a pro designer can't get sounds that I find inspiring out of 'X' synth, then what are the chances that I will be able to do so?

Is that an ordinary 'sound-designer' punter, an ordinary 'glitch-freak' punter, or an ordinary 'bread-and-butter' punter ?

The problem with any presets it that they can't possibly cope with everyone's desire - however, I think they should generally be 'bread and butter' presets so the synth can be turned on and used.

If you want to know what's possible from a synth, you demo it yourself as presets can't possibly show that.

Personally, I like the Omnisphere approach where it ships with a huge library of very usable sounds, but also has the ability to do grungy glitchy sounds that may not suit everyone, should you choose to dig in an play around. Whilst Alchemy (and yes, I know this was discussed ad-infinitum already) has amazing sonic possibilities (and I bought it on that basis), most of the presets where nowhere near as 'usable' out of the box for me. If a Pro Designer can make great presets, why should I then bother - I'll just use theirs

You're never going to make everyone happy, but I think the Largo presets carry across the 'Waldorf' sound well enough, and that's what it should show (I happen to think the presets are pretty good, and DocT deserves more respect than he's getting).

There was all of the shouting that there was no demo - well, now there is so there's no need for you to rely on presets - you can get on an see what it's capable of. After all, if all you want is presets, there's no need for a demo right ? Just a couple of MP3s playing them.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:18 am

koalaboy wrote:
hakey wrote:As an ordinary punter I'm left thinking that where a pro designer can't get sounds that I find inspiring out of 'X' synth, then what are the chances that I will be able to do so?
You're never going to make everyone happy,

Which I did say: "Of course all of the presets will not please all of the people all of the time". There's plenty of presets that I've played on various synths that I wouldn't necessarily find useful, or suit my taste, but have still impressed me in some way, or left me wondering 'how's that been done?', or at least shone a light on some aspects of that synths timbrel or dynamic capabilities.

After all, if all you want is presets, there's no need for a demo right ? Just a couple of MP3s playing them.

A demo doesn't tell you how the presets play - response to AT, mod wheel etc.

I think the Largo presets carry across the 'Waldorf' sound well enough

Well, if that's the case, or if they give a fair account of Largo's full timbrel range, then Largo/Waldorf synths obviously aren't for me (that said, I have owned both a Pulse and a Microwave I

).

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:44 am

After finsihing my patches i started playing with the patches again. With the 246 factory patches (2 banks) and my own bank (79-80 patches) you have 320+ patches which at the moment are more than enough for me. I would agree that you should not use it as your only synth. At the moment i combine it with Alchemy and/or Sylenth1 which makes almost everything possible.

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:52 pm

Hey, I made some ambientic ARP preset... I hope you like it
Layer 1&2 are the down/up running arpeggios, Layer 3&4 are their simple counterparts
Double_arp.fxp
I suggest tweaking it with LFOs and external FX
EDIT: I forgot to say that it is designed for Multi-layer with Stereo Output usage, don't be surprised.

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:36 pm

Igro wrote:And btw, how those people can judge the whole synth capabilities by presets, if they never created their own presets?

I judged Predator on it's presets and bought it on that basis. Some might want to buy the synth for it's presets and if they're not cutting the mustard then they probably won't buy it.

I personally think it's got some good presets but it needs the preset management sorting out so it's easier to find them!

Largo demo version available!