Hmmm...
I'll agree that this is a bit of a let down after all the hype.
Hype aside, it looks like a pretty fun loop player/arranger for the iphone. If I had an iphone I'd probably pick this app up as a small loop thing to have fun with. It doesn't seem like anything I'd use in the studio though. I'm also not going to run out and pick up an iphone over this either.
There is one app that has me seriously considering an iphone over and that app is the Wallander Instruments WIVI Band. Now that's something amazing!
This one I could take or leave.
New IK teaser
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- KVRAF
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
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- KVRian
- 743 posts since 14 Apr, 2004
Surely not me and a lot of people that i know!dubbelQ wrote:Or this becomes a flop they can allways blame and say "Berlusconi made us do it".YUGA wrote:it was a nice lil italian joke!
BTW a lot of companies are going to this kind of "no brain use" products, also NI with all the kore packs....
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- KVRist
- 115 posts since 25 Dec, 2008
good iphone apps: sunvox, noise.io, beatmaker, bebot, jasuto, curtis, hexatone, dog whistler, etc
bad iphone apps: groovemaker free, groovemaker club, groovemaker, house, groovemaker hiphip, groovemaker rock ballads, groovemaker hipster dance trax, groovemaker honky tonk jam band, etc
bad iphone apps: groovemaker free, groovemaker club, groovemaker, house, groovemaker hiphip, groovemaker rock ballads, groovemaker hipster dance trax, groovemaker honky tonk jam band, etc
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- KVRist
- 47 posts since 12 Jun, 2008
OK, I've got I-Phone 3GS, but Groovemaker? Seriously IK? That's the revolution of sound making? LOL It looks more like Intua Beatmakers little wimpy sister 
It even has the similar name. Unbelievable.
It even has the similar name. Unbelievable.-
- KVRAF
- 1676 posts since 17 Dec, 2002 from Yorkshire
Does that app supports "shake" functionality? And if yes can I mix and arrange track shaking the iPhone?
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redshift factor redshift factor https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54214
- KVRian
- 1118 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
Wow. Super lame.
Phenomenal disappointment.
I hope this is just an isolated lapse in judgement and taste by IKMM, and not indicative of a more systemic loss of vision and purpose for the company.
Phenomenal disappointment.
I hope this is just an isolated lapse in judgement and taste by IKMM, and not indicative of a more systemic loss of vision and purpose for the company.
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Hewitt Huntwork Hewitt Huntwork https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7460
- KVRAF
- 1647 posts since 2 Jun, 2003
I normally shy away from the "pile-on" after a product announcement, but this one is justified, in my opinion.
I think IK made a mistake and didn't anticipate that their first product for non-musicians shouldn't be marketed the same way that they market to their existing customer base. To market an existing product on a new platform as though it were a new product is also a mistake. Remember a few years ago when so many devs were devoting their time to AU versions? Now imagine if there had been a teaser trailer for all those AU versions how disappointed we'd have been.
I had fun with Groovemaker when it was new and I wish IK well with their efforts to bring it to a new audience.
I think IK made a mistake and didn't anticipate that their first product for non-musicians shouldn't be marketed the same way that they market to their existing customer base. To market an existing product on a new platform as though it were a new product is also a mistake. Remember a few years ago when so many devs were devoting their time to AU versions? Now imagine if there had been a teaser trailer for all those AU versions how disappointed we'd have been.
I had fun with Groovemaker when it was new and I wish IK well with their efforts to bring it to a new audience.
If every KVR member wrote one review a year we'd have 1340 reviews each day!
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Andrew Bach IK Andrew Bach IK https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=193556
- KVRist
- 100 posts since 13 Nov, 2008
Hey guys,
I was kind of expecting to see some head-scratching towards this, and I understand. It wasn't what anyone was expecting, though once you try it I think you will realize how powerful a tool it actually is.
Some things:
1.The patent thing: Groovemaker was the first application that allowed you to stack any loop content contained within over anything else. While there are loop programs out there, the amazing thing is that (while you may not do this), you can stack 8 drum loops, lead lines, etc on top of each other, and while it may be busy it ALL works. It is intelligent arrangement on an Iphone/Ipod. Pretty neat.
2.Right now we have the initial genre packs, but in the future we are working with some great sound designers (Sonic Reality for one, others I can't mention yet) to provide some amazing content. This isn't a toy with non-professional sounds, it actually provides usable content with a library provided by names you trust, that can only grow.
3.Groovemaker has actually been put in the hands of a few producers, one being Russ Landau, who has worked on Survivor, Fear Factor, etc. Russ has actually been using it for cues for future shows. The cool thing is, you can work on a plane, while in a coffee shop, etc....anywhere you get an idea, and produce something that can be used in a professional environment.
4.To give you some background, I have been DJing and producing since I was 12 (I'm 29 now). In recent years I have been working more on rock/guitar oriented projects, with my beat-oriented projects going on the backburner. When this was put in my hands in June, I was going back to Minneapolis for my birthday, and had a ton of time to kill on the plane ride. Having not produced much in the way of hip hop or electronic music in quite a while, I was finding ideas that I was using the moment that the plane touched down and I could sit with my laptop with my exported files. Again, the beauty of this is that, while the initial creative process is deceptively easy, it is a really powerful creative tool for next to nothing.
Of course, it isn't for everyone, but for anyone who does ANY sort of beat-oriented production it is an amazingly powerful scratch pad for pennies. So, before you burn me at the stake, check out the videos-
http://www.groovemaker.com/products/videodemo/
and download the free version to play with-
http://www.groovemaker.com/buy/
Play around, and let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Drew
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I was kind of expecting to see some head-scratching towards this, and I understand. It wasn't what anyone was expecting, though once you try it I think you will realize how powerful a tool it actually is.
Some things:
1.The patent thing: Groovemaker was the first application that allowed you to stack any loop content contained within over anything else. While there are loop programs out there, the amazing thing is that (while you may not do this), you can stack 8 drum loops, lead lines, etc on top of each other, and while it may be busy it ALL works. It is intelligent arrangement on an Iphone/Ipod. Pretty neat.
2.Right now we have the initial genre packs, but in the future we are working with some great sound designers (Sonic Reality for one, others I can't mention yet) to provide some amazing content. This isn't a toy with non-professional sounds, it actually provides usable content with a library provided by names you trust, that can only grow.
3.Groovemaker has actually been put in the hands of a few producers, one being Russ Landau, who has worked on Survivor, Fear Factor, etc. Russ has actually been using it for cues for future shows. The cool thing is, you can work on a plane, while in a coffee shop, etc....anywhere you get an idea, and produce something that can be used in a professional environment.
4.To give you some background, I have been DJing and producing since I was 12 (I'm 29 now). In recent years I have been working more on rock/guitar oriented projects, with my beat-oriented projects going on the backburner. When this was put in my hands in June, I was going back to Minneapolis for my birthday, and had a ton of time to kill on the plane ride. Having not produced much in the way of hip hop or electronic music in quite a while, I was finding ideas that I was using the moment that the plane touched down and I could sit with my laptop with my exported files. Again, the beauty of this is that, while the initial creative process is deceptively easy, it is a really powerful creative tool for next to nothing.
Of course, it isn't for everyone, but for anyone who does ANY sort of beat-oriented production it is an amazingly powerful scratch pad for pennies. So, before you burn me at the stake, check out the videos-
http://www.groovemaker.com/products/videodemo/
and download the free version to play with-
http://www.groovemaker.com/buy/
Play around, and let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Drew
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fanfarecircuit fanfarecircuit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=112128
- Banned
- 1303 posts since 3 Jul, 2006
a toy? 
that's seriously dumb.
that's seriously dumb.
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fanfarecircuit fanfarecircuit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=112128
- Banned
- 1303 posts since 3 Jul, 2006
even i'm speechless...debra1rlo wrote:All that hype and that's your response? And I was waiting for yours in particular. Color me disappointed.fanfarecircuit wrote:a toy?
that's seriously dumb.
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- KVRAF
- 2645 posts since 21 Jul, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 5112 posts since 5 May, 2005 from Stockholm, Sweden
Caught up in the fanfarecircuit hype eh?debra1rlo wrote:All that hype and that's your response? And I was waiting for yours in particular. Color me disappointed.fanfarecircuit wrote:a toy?
that's seriously dumb.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I think like many others, this was over hyped and underwhelming. Hype isn't really good imo because if people are expecting something great and you give them something that is very good it can be a let down.Andrew Bach IK wrote:Hey guys,
I was kind of expecting to see some head-scratching towards this, and I understand. It wasn't what anyone was expecting, though once you try it I think you will realize how powerful a tool it actually is.
Some things:
1.The patent thing: Groovemaker was the first application that allowed you to stack any loop content contained within over anything else. While there are loop programs out there, the amazing thing is that (while you may not do this), you can stack 8 drum loops, lead lines, etc on top of each other, and while it may be busy it ALL works. It is intelligent arrangement on an Iphone/Ipod. Pretty neat.
2.Right now we have the initial genre packs, but in the future we are working with some great sound designers (Sonic Reality for one, others I can't mention yet) to provide some amazing content. This isn't a toy with non-professional sounds, it actually provides usable content with a library provided by names you trust, that can only grow.
3.Groovemaker has actually been put in the hands of a few producers, one being Russ Landau, who has worked on Survivor, Fear Factor, etc. Russ has actually been using it for cues for future shows. The cool thing is, you can work on a plane, while in a coffee shop, etc....anywhere you get an idea, and produce something that can be used in a professional environment.
4.To give you some background, I have been DJing and producing since I was 12 (I'm 29 now). In recent years I have been working more on rock/guitar oriented projects, with my beat-oriented projects going on the backburner. When this was put in my hands in June, I was going back to Minneapolis for my birthday, and had a ton of time to kill on the plane ride. Having not produced much in the way of hip hop or electronic music in quite a while, I was finding ideas that I was using the moment that the plane touched down and I could sit with my laptop with my exported files. Again, the beauty of this is that, while the initial creative process is deceptively easy, it is a really powerful creative tool for next to nothing.
Of course, it isn't for everyone, but for anyone who does ANY sort of beat-oriented production it is an amazingly powerful scratch pad for pennies. So, before you burn me at the stake, check out the videos-
http://www.groovemaker.com/products/videodemo/
and download the free version to play with-
http://www.groovemaker.com/buy/
Play around, and let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Drew
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I'm really strange, I use my phone to call people and get calls, I play games on a game system or on my computer, I don't understand why someone would rather text than talk (seems like a step backwards to me), I have cameras I use to take pictures, I have an mp3 for portable music, I have a nice sound system and I don't jump on fad bandwagons.
I guess if you're an iphone person this might be cool, but imo this is pretty lame. I wish you luck with it though. I just got my first cell phone in March, my wife has it most of the time but we rarely use it. I've used it 3 times, ironically to make calls on
One thing though, this will change the scope of dongle debates. I mean if people are worried about losing their software due to losing, breakage or having a dongle stolen what are they gonna say about the iphone? That's a product people want to steal.
One other question, if you're out dj'ing with this and the phone rings what do you do? Everyone is dancing, having fun, lights, fog then all of sudden some obnoxious ring tone is played, the lights stop, the dancing stops while the "pro" dj answers his call? Honestly if a dj showed up to something I paid him for and plugged in his phone I'd ask for my money back. This is already being plugged as a pro application, if the word pro hasn't already been reduced to meaningless this is the final straw
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