Image-Line Harmor released

[olepro]

And then it's just uncool to tweak the envelope, if only the half of the sound reacts to it.

in the envelope editor's menu there's an option to copy from one part to the other

Hi Tony

Could it be an idea to make a link button in the envelope/modulator window beside the modulator on/off switch ?
That way you could choose which modulator should be linked or not

[Wildfunk]

Harmor is like Sylenth1 (2 parts with 2 oscs/timbres) but Sylenth1 got better mappings (master filter, controlling the envelopes of both parts together etc.).

We just need more targets... like "Volume -> Global envelope"

[aikindoma]

Harmor jumped right on the top of my favorite synth.

I made sounds with it I never made before with any synth.

I can only complain that I would like to have a manual,
and that I wish the envelope window would keep the size.
I make it wide so I can see the whole envelope,
but every time I switch to A or B it jumps back and shows me just
a little part of the whole envelope.

Harmor is a sound designers dream come true...!!!
The range of possible sounds is amazing, and I still didn't find
any border where it might ends so far.
Usually I don't need long to come to the edge of possibilities on a synth.

Harmor is very different, ...very, very different!

But..., you have to dig deeper into it.
Throw samples or images into it and see what it sounds.
You'll have to learn what it does when you tweak it.
It's not hard, but takes some time...

...now I wait for my pay-check from Image-Line
for all the advertising I wrote...

@Image-Line:...you can send me any new synth to test it if you like...

[tony tony chopper]

Harmor is like Sylenth1 (2 parts with 2 oscs/timbres) but Sylenth1 got better mappings (master filter, controlling the envelopes of both parts together etc.).

It's misunderstanding Harmor to believe that both parts really need to be linked. Think of a part as a layer/preset, so you can layer 2 presets, and forget all the dual-oscillator tricks common in subtractive synths, those are done within the same part, using other tricks.

But still, copying an envelope to the other part is just 1 click away. Envelopes also depend on the controls of its part anyway, so it doesn't necessarily makes sense to link them.

[Wildfunk]

and that I wish the envelope window would keep the size.
I make it wide so I can see the whole envelope,
but every time I switch to A or B it jumps back and shows me just
a little part of the whole envelope.

+1

[Igro]

Harmor is like Sylenth1 (2 parts with 2 oscs/timbres) but Sylenth1 got better mappings (master filter, controlling the envelopes of both parts together etc.).

We just need more targets... like "Volume -> Global envelope"

i really hope Gol will implement wider and better global mapping. Honestly, xyz are not enough. It's really bad to operate with doubled automation tracks in the host.

[Wildfunk]

It's misunderstanding Harmor to believe that both parts really need to be linked. Think of a part as a layer/preset, so you can layer 2 presets, and forget all the dual-oscillator tricks common in subtractive synths, those are done within the same part, using other tricks.

On the first try everyone mixes the two parts together.

I doubt that most users know the "abuse of the unison trick" to put two different timbres (and detuned!) in only one part.

[tony tony chopper]

It's really bad to operate with doubled automation tracks in the host.

Well, with some hosts you can link your automation to 2 or more parameters. At least you can in FL.

[tony tony chopper]

On the first try everyone mixes the two parts together.

I doubt that most users know the "abuse of the unison trick" to put two different timbres (and detuned!) in only one part.

That's exactly why most people use both parts: to put the same timbre (don't you think it's generally the same?) in both, one being detuned. But the result of this is phasing, so in Harmor it's better done using the phaser.
See the Tutorial->General->PWM preset, it's the same as 2 saws in both parts with a slight detuning. As I wrote earlier, quite some classic subtractive effects are phasing with different properties, and Harmor's phaser was designed to be able to replicate them.

[Wildfunk]

That's exactly why most people use both parts: to put the same timbre (don't you think it's generally the same?) in both, one being detuned.

You're talking about small detunings, i talk about semitones

In most cases 2 oscs are not enough... so you have to split them to the two parts of Harmor and then you have to edit two envelopes etc.

Example: I want to convert this patch from Sytrus to Harmor:

OP1: 0.2500 (Sine)
OP2: 1.0000 (Square)
OP3: 1.5000 (Square - same as OP3)

I put the Sine in part A and the two squares to B (with the "unison trick") but now i have the problem with the envelopes.

I'm sure it's possible to put all three operators into one part on Harmor but that's not "easy"...

[tony tony chopper]

You're talking about small detunings, i talk about semitones

Well, that makes impressive presets but hard to use in music, soon or later you will revert to scoring a simpler preset anyway

Example: I want to convert this patch from Sytrus to Harmor:

OP1: 0.2500 (Sine)
OP2: 1.0000 (Square)
OP3: 1.5000 (Square - same as OP3)

I put the Sine in part A and the two squares to B (with the "unison trick") but now i have the problem with the envelopes.

Sines are typically used as sub-osc, and that's what it is in OP1, and you have a fader in Harmor just for that (even 3 of them).

I haven't checked the result of those 2 squares, but I'm pretty sure it's another kind of phasing again. Will check.

In any case, as long as they're perfect freq fractions like that, you can sample those waveforms, in the above case it would fit in 2 cycles, thus 1 cycle at -1 octave. If your OP2 had a slight detuning it'd be different, but that case is pretty simple.

[Wildfunk]

Well, that makes impressive presets but hard to use in music, soon or later you will revert to scoring a simpler preset anyway

It's just a bass combined with a lead - often used in Electro House etc.

Part 1: Two squares with fifths and effects and portamento
Part 2: Saw lowpass filterd with no effects (dry fx mixer)

Works great... is impressive... and doesn't kill the mix with too much freqs... and you can play it with one key.

Sines are typically used as sub-osc, and that's what it is in OP1, and you have a fader in Harmor just for that (even 3 of them).

Yep, but what if you want a little edited sine?

I haven't checked the result of those 2 squares, but I'm pretty sure it's another kind of phasing again. Will check.

Even if it works with phasing: Setting the semitones to +7 (~3.0000/2) is much easier than try & error with the phaser.

But i understand your view and why Harmor is how it is

[Igro]

On the first try everyone mixes the two parts together.

I doubt that most users know the "abuse of the unison trick" to put two different timbres (and detuned!) in only one part.

That's exactly why most people use both parts: to put the same timbre (don't you think it's generally the same?) in both, one being detuned. But the result of this is phasing, so in Harmor it's better done using the phaser.
See the Tutorial->General->PWM preset, it's the same as 2 saws in both parts with a slight detuning. As I wrote earlier, quite some classic subtractive effects are phasing with different properties, and Harmor's phaser was designed to be able to replicate them.

no, people people want to get different waveforms and detune them. You can't do this in Harmore by using only part A.

[Wildfunk]

no, people people want to get different waveforms and detune them. You can't do this in Harmore by using only part A.

You can! Even the default patch contains two different timbres... detuning works with the pitch to unison envelope.

[tony tony chopper]

no, people people want to get different waveforms and detune them.

or rather, people want to get that.. in classic subtractive synths. My tip to those starting with Harmor would be to forget everything they know about subtractive synths, not to think of waveforms according to their look (I know that displaying them at the top-left doesn't help, though), and to try out new ways to get new timbres, instead of trying to replicate subtractive presets.
Otherwise, better use a classic subtractive synth IMHO, as they will be more CPU efficient (you can apply the same filter to 2 or more audio sources merged in them, you can't do that in Harmor)