KVR Audio

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:46 pm

robojam wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:its like being at kindergarten in this thread
Why? Did you eat glue and shit your pants then?

Watching this thread from the sidelines, it sure as hell feels like it sometimes!

taoyoyo · Post by **taoyoyo** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:56 pm

More like sniffing glue and eating my pants here.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:47 pm

Just seen Bitwig advertised in Computer Music. Not much info on their website. Why not have a public beta? They'd have a much better idea of any bugs that crop up that way. The problem with selective beta testing is that it doesn't always highlight problem so that after release customers end up testing it anyway.

Grodada · Post by **Grodada** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:00 pm

On dv247 359 euro, that price is not expensive?
if it's true...this is without me.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:07 pm

munchkin wrote:Just seen Bitwig advertised in Computer Music. Not much info on their website. Why not have a public beta? They'd have a much better idea of any bugs that crop up that way. The problem with selective beta testing is that it doesn't always highlight problem so that after release customers end up testing it anyway.

The problem with open beta is you end up throwing out 90% of test cases because typical end-users don't understand proper test procedures.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:27 pm

Do open betas really always work or is that just mostly perception? I mean, do most people just want the new version early and (if it's buggy) just kinda go back to using the stable release version (if there is one already) or do most people actually keep using it and keep reporting bugs? You kinda do have to use something to test it, not just play with it a little.

Is it better to have a hundred dedicated testers or 500 people who might maybe might sometimes use it occassionally once the initial novelty wears off? Dunno.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:17 pm

u-he DIVA was open beta which seemed to work well. Honestly, there are so many occasions in my experience where I've bought a product that's meant to have been beta tested and it's full of bugs that we, the customers end up reporting. I'm thinking here specifically of Sony Vegas Pro 11, Ableton Live, Sonar and a few other big name products.

I can't imagine a TV or car manufacturer getting away with releasing very buggy products like some software vendors do. Their beta testing must be much more efficient. Granted they don't run on different OS's and various hardware but nonetheless either closed software beta testing is pretty sloppy in certain companies or these companies are in a rush to stick to their release schedules.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:31 pm

Grodada wrote:On dv247 359 euro, that price is not expensive?
if it's true...this is without me.

+1

I don't need to spend that money. Even if Bitwig Studio offers EVERYTHING that Live 8 Suite has - which I seriously doubt - in addition to the advertised stuff that Live doesn't YET have, it wouldn't be worth it. I wouldn't pay that for what would basically be a Live upgrade. And I certainly wouldn't pay it for something that would probably be (in some respects) a Live downgrade...!

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:42 pm

LawrenceF wrote:Do open betas really always work or is that just mostly perception? I mean, do most people just want the new version early and (if it's buggy) just kinda go back to using the stable release version (if there is one already) or do most people actually keep using it and keep reporting bugs? You kinda do have to use something to test it, not just play with it a little.

Is it better to have a hundred dedicated testers or 500 people who might maybe might sometimes use it occassionally once the initial novelty wears off? Dunno.

In my experience, if 100 testers sign up for an open beta, you might get bug reports from 10 of those people. If those 10 people each send 10 bug reports, a quarter of them are due to user error, a quarter of them are duplicates and only a few have steps to reproduce or any kind of details about how they discovered the bug.

In the time it takes to sort through reports from beta testers, a person who has experience with QA procedure or at least with targeted beta testing could have gotten twice as much work done.

Of course, this is just my experience. Open betas can be useful for other things but it's not a very efficient way of finding bugs, IMO.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:51 pm

headquest wrote:
Grodada wrote:On dv247 359 euro, that price is not expensive?
if it's true...this is without me.
+1

I don't need to spend that money. Even if Bitwig Studio offers EVERYTHING that Live 8 Suite has - which I seriously doubt - in addition to the advertised stuff that Live doesn't YET have, it wouldn't be worth it. I wouldn't pay that for what would basically be a Live upgrade. And I certainly wouldn't pay it for something that would probably be (in some respects) a Live downgrade...!

Think I'll stick with Reaper. That's way out of my potential DAW transition budget if it's accurate. Presumably there'll be a 30 day full demo in which case I might be tempted if it's really incredible.

Having checked out the website it's not exactly breaking new ground or bundling something tempting like Melodyne as in Studio One v2. Clip automation looks good though.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:58 pm

munchkin wrote:
headquest wrote:
Grodada wrote:On dv247 359 euro, that price is not expensive?
if it's true...this is without me.
+1

I don't need to spend that money. Even if Bitwig Studio offers EVERYTHING that Live 8 Suite has - which I seriously doubt - in addition to the advertised stuff that Live doesn't YET have, it wouldn't be worth it. I wouldn't pay that for what would basically be a Live upgrade. And I certainly wouldn't pay it for something that would probably be (in some respects) a Live downgrade...!
Think I'll stick with Reaper. That's way out of my potential DAW transition budget if it's accurate. Presumably there'll be a 30 day full demo in which case I might be tempted if it's really incredible.

Having checked out the website it's not exactly breaking new ground or bundling something tempting like Melodyne as in Studio One v2. Clip automation looks good though.

While I don't think it's expensive (if it lives up to it's promises) I think they have a hard task ahead of them getting people to switch from their favorite DAW unless they do a competitive crossgrade program. Especially considering what Apple's done with the price of Logic. ($199)

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headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:39 pm

shallow wrote: However, if you are starting out and haven't a lot of legacy stuff it could be worth it even at that price.

Until we have a proper picture of what features it does and doesn't have, it's hard to make that call. But people starting out, if they are going to pay that price, would probably go with the known brand recommended by their muso friends anyway...

I agree that a very competitive crossgrade seems essential, given that their target market appears to be those either dissatisfied with Live at this point, or who were considering switching from another host to Live but hadn't yet committed.

pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:40 pm

If correct, that is too much money, specially for these hard times.

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:41 am

Grodada wrote:On dv247 359 euro, that price is not expensive?
if it's true...this is without me.

They seem to be sure of having a golden product.

I don't understand why there is no pricing on the bitwig website but yet on dv247?
http://www.dv247.com/computer-music-sof ... are--93544

Bitwig Studio announced