TAL-U-NO-LX. Uber accurate Juno 60 emulation.

[breakmixer]

I've just always wanted a 100% legit emu of the Alpha Juno, i've even been tempted to try and buy the hardware. I think because it played such a big part in the music I like , i've just always wanted one.

Just out of interest earlier today, I called up 2 brass factory patches, one from Roland Alpha Juno, one from the TAL Uno LX, tweaked them both and they sounded almost 100% the same, playing single notes and chords.

I don't know how the Architecture of the Roland Junos and Alpha Junos are but they seem to be very close, I know one was DCO and the other VCO. Featurewise they seem to be very similar...

So it seems this VST can get me in the same ballpark as my Alpha Juno, their is still a slight difference soundwise but cannot explain that...

Just a big thank also to TAL for giving free licenses to the past donators...

PS You can pick up Alpha Junos on Ebay for about £200.00, I use mine with this VST editor... http://www.vst-control.de/MKS-50v.html

[Kriminal]

I just made 2 fast demos to show how an external EQ FX could improve the sound of U-NO-LX.

'improve' in what way, whay are you 'improving' ?

you keep saying this about every synth you have....what exactly is your point? have you had your ears checked recently....is you audio equipment faulty? or are you saying the developers cant code properly?

[MFXxx]

On hols at the moment and very glad I donated to your site many moons ago. Looks like its a winner and well worth dosh, money.

Will be playing next week Thank you again for all your hard work and conribution to the audio scene.

M

[Ingonator]

I just made 2 fast demos to show how an external EQ FX could improve the sound of U-NO-LX.

'improve' in what way, whay are you 'improving' ?

you keep saying this about every synth you have....what exactly is your point? have you had your ears checked recently....is you audio equipment faulty? or are you saying the developers cant code properly?

I don't get your point. What is wrong about using EQ's with synths. This has be done since synths exist... For what are those hundreds of EQ plugins there?
If you have a crappy synth also an EQ could not make it better but it could make a good synth sound better (even Diva...) or in this case give a better "low end".
Maybe the result does not fit your taste but it does for me which at the end is the most important thing.


Ingo

[jbuonacc]

I don't know how the Architecture of the Roland Junos and Alpha Junos are but they seem to be very close, I know one was DCO and the other VCO. Featurewise they seem to be very similar...

all Junos (6/60/106/Alpha 1 & 2) are DCO synths. the 6/60/106 are very similar, but the Alpha models have a number of differences (mostly in the waveforms, which has already been explained here in this thread).


U-NO-LX is pretty damn nice! i sure wish he'd fix/replace the buttons, and the fact that most of the slider caps are off-center is killing me. the filter seems a bit odd at certain settings, i'll write back with specifics.

[breakmixer]

I don't know how the Architecture of the Roland Junos and Alpha Junos are but they seem to be very close, I know one was DCO and the other VCO. Featurewise they seem to be very similar...

all Junos (6/60/106/Alpha 1 & 2) are DCO synths. the 6/60/106 are very similar, but the Alpha models have a number of differences (mostly in the waveforms, which has already been explained here in this thread).


U-NO-LX is pretty damn nice! i sure wish he'd fix/replace the buttons, and the fact that most of the slider caps are off-center is killing me. the filter seems a bit odd at certain settings, i'll write back with specifics.

Thanks for the info, I did think the first wave of Junos were VCO mistakenly. Cheers for the other info too. Anyway, this synth sure is nice and definately a keeper!

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

the filter seems a bit odd at certain settings, i'll write back with specifics.

Yeah, the lopass feels like it's weighted towards the middle of the slider range. It definitely doesn't feel like a linear response. It's been a long time since I've been near a Juno 60 though, and I've never owned one so maybe that's just how the filter slider reacts on the real thing.

[Crackbaby]

Just bought it! I used to own a 106 so this makes me very warm and fuzzy...inside!

May i request these filter or it's technology to enter your filterplug? the one with MSEG .. can't remember name, but i use it to fake sidechain ... gnn

Anyway, thank you for providing us with great stuff

[fmr]

the filter seems a bit odd at certain settings, i'll write back with specifics.

Yeah, the lopass feels like it's weighted towards the middle of the slider range. It definitely doesn't feel like a linear response. It's been a long time since I've been near a Juno 60 though, and I've never owned one so maybe that's just how the filter slider reacts on the real thing.

The behaviour of the U-No-LX models the Juno-60. It's odd... yes, it is. The filter is odd, and the envelope is odd. Even the Pulse wave is odd. It doesn't climb up to 100% pulse (which would be silent, as happens in DIVA), and it doesn't even come down ot a perfect square in the 0, as it should to be perfect.
I think all these oddinesses are what makes each analogue one of a kind. Each one has it's own peculiarities, therefore, it's own "sound".
Patrick had a lot of trouble and work trying to emulate the behaviour of the filter, the behaviour of the envelope (geesh, I was constantly bashing him with this one), the way the envelope affects the filter, etc. None of these have a linear behaviour (or it's just because our Junos are now showing their age, and becoming capriccious? )
Anyway, don't expect a regular answer from this synth - it's not there. It has lots of character, lots of peculiarities, and demands you to learn them and accept that. But it pays you back in sound

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

the filter seems a bit odd at certain settings, i'll write back with specifics.

Yeah, the lopass feels like it's weighted towards the middle of the slider range. It definitely doesn't feel like a linear response. It's been a long time since I've been near a Juno 60 though, and I've never owned one so maybe that's just how the filter slider reacts on the real thing.

The behaviour of the U-No-LX models the Juno-60. It's odd... yes, it is. The filter is odd, and the envelope is odd. Even the Pulse wave is odd. It doesn't climb up to 100% pulse (which would be silent, as happens in DIVA), and it doesn't even come down ot a perfect square in the 0, as it should to be perfect.
I think all these oddinesses are what makes each analogue one of a kind. Each one has it's own peculiarities, therefore, it's own "sound".
Patrick had a lot of trouble and work trying to emulate the behaviour of the filter, the behaviour of the envelope (geesh, I was constantly bashing him with this one), the way the envelope affects the filter, etc. None of these have a linear behaviour (or it's just because our Junos are now showing their age, and becoming capriccious? )
Anyway, don't expect a regular answer from this synth - it's not there. It has lots of character, lots of peculiarities, and demands you to learn them and accept that. But it pays you back in sound

I figured that was probably the case. And saying the response was odd wasn't a dig by any means. It's just odd.

Good work on the envelope BTW. I was hearing a lot more of an initial transient on the hardware compared to the software on Patrick's original demo. It was much closer in the second comparison demo. I still feel like the hardware has a tiny bit more attack, but honestly, they're so close I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference in a blind test.

[fmr]

I just made 2 fast demos to show how an external EQ FX could improve the sound of U-NO-LX.

'improve' in what way, whay are you 'improving' ?

you keep saying this about every synth you have....what exactly is your point? have you had your ears checked recently....is you audio equipment faulty? or are you saying the developers cant code properly?

Kriminal, are you angry with your life, or something? I seem to recall you have several hardware synths, even classics. I can't believe you never processed their sound.
As people from that time already commented here, the Juno-60 was extensively processed back then. I personally would love to have at least a delay and a phaser on board, also an EQ, for that matter, between other things, but Patrick chose the hard way, preserving the authenticity of the emulation. So, what Ingo is doing is perfectly legit - he is showing how the character of the Juno is there, with just a touch of processing.
Most of your comments lately are bitter and angry, sometimes even offensive. I understand everybody has their own problems (I have them myself, so I can speak from there), but it's not fair to take that on others, specially when people did nothing to deserve your bitterness.

[Aloysius]

Just bought it! I used to own a 106 so this makes me very warm and fuzzy...inside!

I used to own one too but it didn't sound like this.

Looks nice. The chorus gives it a little bit of personality but otherwise, its just ok.

Does it emulate well? Is it worth 70.00? I'm not convinced.

[ENV1]

Double Whopper:




The bass at 0.32: Fat!

The strings after that: ENORMOUS!

[fmr]

Double Whopper:




The bass at 0.32: Fat!

The strings after that: ENORMOUS!

Two of them layered, IS a great idea, isn't it?

[ENV1]

Two of them layered, IS a great idea, isn't it?

It is indeed.

Good project, IMO...pretty sure this would work well with a lot of older synths.