Cakewalk Sonar X3

[lfm]

OK, for those that still believe in Santa, here is a story told in almost first person regarding the facts behind the (probably unknown to the vast mojority) story of the Oberheim OB-Mx. The OB-Mx was one of the biggest projects runned by Oberheim while owned by Gibson, and it was a complete disaster. In total despair, Buchla was called to save the project. He came on board, together with his old friend D N "Linx" Crowe, and they managed to create a unit that not only worked but was great. Gibson manage to screw them, and in the end the whole project sunk. Read the sordid details behind. This story very much "illustrates" Gibson way of doing business. Maybe this will help understand the fears some of us expressed regarding this deal:
http://web.archive.org/web/200504070210 ... ick01.html
or a summary of the story here:
http://web.archive.org/web/200609042212 ... mmary.html

The question we should ask ourselves is - is the CEO that made the decision to buy Oberheim still there?

I mean, did anybody at Gibson think that was a smart move what they did with that purchase.

If there is a new leadership of Gibson Brands - could mean better decisions.

After all Gibson have been smart maintaining the Gibson guitars a pure american brand. Not like Fender, that diminish the brand by incorporating mexican made, japan made and whatever - and brand it Fender at the headstock.

Today:
- It's a Gibson mean something.

- It's a Fender mean nothing.

I think that is smart leadership.

So I would not count Gibson out on beforehand.

I would love to see a new series from Tascam that brings the best from hardware world recorders - and software part in computer bringing the best from that world.

[hibidy]

Go back through gibsons acquisitions (no I'm not going to do it for anyone) and then see how many were run into the ground. I'm not telling you how many there are, do some legwork........then get back to me on it...would you?

BTW

I can't keep up with these two threads You guys seem to be talking more here about the gibson thing and more at the other thread about X3

[lfm]

Go back through gibsons acquisitions (no I'm not going to do it for anyone) and then see how many were run into the ground. I'm not telling you how many there are, do some legwork........then get back to me on it...would you?

Companies change. Three years ago I had that kind of negative vibe about Waves - and they turned around completely.

None of our predictions matters, really.

Somebody said that the most accurate wheather forecast is saying:
- today will be the same as yesterday

That is true more often than anything these experts tells us.


If that goes for corporations as well - failing as always - we will see.

I know you are through with Cake and you don't wish them well. I am still open to see what future brings in terms of daws. I had 5 good years with Sonar 4.

Avid bought Sibelius, Presonus bought Notion and we don't know how that turns out yet.

Pro Audio bought Cakewalk, that went back to original developers, then Roland took over and now Gibson. Mackie tried make something of Tracktion but it's now back to original developers.

Roland failed in a way with Cakewalk fit into their portfolio, but how did they do with Edirol and Boss.

Is picking only bad purchases as example of how a company is doing I don't believe in that.

What is total picture of purchases?

It's not easy to manage these huge corporations. There are so many different strategymodels in different times. Back in the 80's diversity was the model everybody went for - they bought all kinds of companies to have many legs to rest on. Car manufacturers bought foodstore chains and I don't know what.

Now since 10-15 years the strategy is back to core business. The global world we live in is changing so fast.

If you are right and Sonar evaporate - good for you. The more I thought about it - the better feel I get about it.

Roland does not have history making mixers, Tascam has - I think Cake might fit in there. It does not sound all bad to me.

[SODDI]

Everyone loves the Juszkiewicz Les Paul Guitar, not to mention the classic Juszkiewicz Country Gentleman and the Juszkiewicz Flying V.

And all over the planet, titty bars play Trent Reznor's "Closer", with that incredible JuszkiewiczJuszkiewicz synth bass line.

Leave us not forget the PolyJuszkiewicz and the MemoryJuszkiewicz.

Henry Juszkiewicz has enought money to buy whatever he wants, but it doesn't mean he knows what to do with them. Most of the value in Gibson is in designs that were developed before he bought them.

[fmr]

Avid bought Sibelius, Presonus bought Notion and we don't know how that turns out yet.

Sibelius division was dismantled, and the guys were hired by Steinberg. That's how it turned out!

Roland does not have history making mixers, ...

Really? http://www.rolandsystemsgroup.com/articles/100023

[fmr]

OK, for those that still believe in Santa, here is a story told in almost first person regarding the facts behind the (probably unknown to the vast mojority) story of the Oberheim OB-Mx. The OB-Mx was one of the biggest projects runned by Oberheim while owned by Gibson, and it was a complete disaster. In total despair, Buchla was called to save the project. He came on board, together with his old friend D N "Linx" Crowe, and they managed to create a unit that not only worked but was great. Gibson manage to screw them, and in the end the whole project sunk. Read the sordid details behind. This story very much "illustrates" Gibson way of doing business. Maybe this will help understand the fears some of us expressed regarding this deal:
http://web.archive.org/web/200504070210 ... ick01.html
or a summary of the story here:
http://web.archive.org/web/200609042212 ... mmary.html

The question we should ask ourselves is - is the CEO that made the decision to buy Oberheim still there?

I mean, did anybody at Gibson think that was a smart move what they did with that purchase.

If there is a new leadership of Gibson Brands - could mean better decisions.

Problem is: Yes, the CEO is the very same guy: Henry Juskiewicz

[whyterabbyt]

Mate you're crazy and the ultimate troll of kvr. You are a pure troublemaker who is deluded that he has some superior intellect over everyone else here and challenges anything and everything for the sake of it but shows his true colors when the situation is reversed.. That he is noting but a shit stirrer.

That's right. Asking for more information is 'challenging anything' and 'shit stirring'. And resenting being jumped on for doing so makes me 'the ultimate troll' and a 'pure troublemaker'.

Good one. Maybe you should sue me.

I've every interest in the software.. I've owned producer 3 then 6 then 8 now x2 and everytime it's been a bug fest of proportion I've never experienced before and I've often expressed my desire for it to be attended to so I could make use of it as I very much like the program itself and I've even expressed strong interest in making it my main daw if they would simply release a bugfix.

Oh is it Theo changing horses again time already. Last time I heard you were on a Mac 'forever'. Mea culpa for not keeping up with your moodswings.

The way you just reacted to a fair question is seriously caustic..

Which fair question would that be? The one where Im supposed to justify something I have no stake in? I guess your regular bouts of rage at one developer or another are getting to the point where you're just plain old blacking out from the notion that anyone who doesnt wholeheartedly join your current little jihad right out front is on the side of the enemy.

YOU piss off with your shit mate and stop thinking you're the king of kvr speaking down to people all the time. You're nothing but a compensator who projects all his own insecurities by belittling others, and you are the absolutely worst type of person I've ever encountered here, Sean.

So... much.... irony....

You made it clear that you thought Gibson taking over cw was not a bad thing

Really? That's funny, I dont remember even thinking that, let alone posting anything of the sort here. Show me the quote to back that up, Theo.

You did remember to check with me that's what my position was, even though there were strong indications to the contrary, didnt you?

and put out a challenge to explain what recent bad stuff Gibson had done as that's what matters in your mind, recent, to show how this could possibly be a bad takeover

Wow, great mind reading there Theo. You should do this professionally.

I mean, even after Ive specifically said Im concerned about it, you're telling me that actually Im not, Im in favour of it. So good at telling me what I think that you're telling me stuff I dont even know I think. A-f**king-mazing.

and you're asked in return to show any example of what GOOD they have done and you say "that's not my problem"

I actually asked why it was supposed to be my problem. You, of course, wouldn't query being asked to defend a position you dont hold, I presume? Nor would you react when some other dick jumped in to tell ou it was because you'd had the temerity to ask a question of someone, right?

My arse.

but when someone says that to you about what you ask of them, because in your entitled mindset that you are the king of kvr, you chuck a hissy fit as just demonstrated in my quote.

So f**king what. You throw more 'hissy fits' than anyone else around here, and your entitled mindset is that once you're on one of your little crusades anyone who doesnt toe your line is fair game. Tough luck if you dont like your own medicine.

What I said did not even remotely deserve your rant but what you're getting now is well deserved.

And what am I getting? Your mind reading act and the same lame invective as always? Wow.

I've had it with you, you are so nasty and demeaning to almost everyone. Well everyone except a couple others who are equally like you.

Could you give me that list, I wouldnt want to have missed out anyone significant. I guess this week was the week you gave up being nasty and demeaning to almost everyone yourself, then?

You were asked a normal question, if you can't behave and think no one has the balls to stick up for themselves to you, think again.

Ah dontcha love projection; I asked a normal question and got jumped on by the pitchfork committee. I'll learn to behave once Ive seen you do it.

[mabian]

<grabs popcorns and cheers TheoM...>

- Mario

[whyterabbyt]

Go back through gibsons acquisitions (no I'm not going to do it for anyone) and then see how many were run into the ground. I'm not telling you how many there are, do some legwork........then get back to me on it...would you?

Companies change. Three years ago I had that kind of negative vibe about Waves - and they turned around completely.

None of our predictions matters, really.

Wow. Didnt you know you cant say that sort of thing in this thread? You're going to get asked to prove that Waves save baby seals or something before you can make statements like that.

[lfm]

Avid bought Sibelius, Presonus bought Notion and we don't know how that turns out yet.

Sibelius division was dismantled, and the guys were hired by Steinberg. That's how it turned out!

Roland does not have history making mixers, ...

Really? http://www.rolandsystemsgroup.com/articles/100023

Thanks for the enlightenment.

Looked at Thomann.de, not a single of Roland portastudios or digital mixers listed. Some google hits links to thomann - but removed. Some videomixer/clipboard only.

I stand corrected, it is a history - emphasizing history.

I know Roland had portastudios at the time I used Tascam and Fostex stuff. Boss took over brand name maybe.

Many big corps fail at making the right decisions. Look at Nokia, now at Microsoft to have a future. They had like more than 50% markeshare.

And blood is shed when doing takeovers. Just as much eliminating possible competition by buying it - as gaining something. It's a ruthless game.

So critical points made here may be true. We will see.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[whyterabbyt]

I knew exactly what I thought of you some time ago when we had a small misunderstanding here and I kindly pre emptively apologised to you via pm as I thought we were mates and you're reply was something like "oh don't worry I was not upset,if I was I would have ripped you apart".

I dont delete PMs Ive received. This is the last one I appear to have received from you. Its also the last one I appear to have replied to.

I just wanted to say thanks for defending me.

I know we always don't see eye to eye and i can be hard to deal with but one thing with you is that you are always straight up on how you see things and usually fairly, probably cause you're not an idiot

anyway thanks for fixing the misunderstandings, you've been able to clear them up exactly how i meant them.

cheers,

T

Here's the only apology I can find, which was actually before the one Ive just quoted. Here's my reply to that, including your original post.

but i know you may not read it so will send it to you here too.

I mistook your question.

am having a really bad night..

sorry!

i do hope you are doing well Sean,

best regards,

T

No problem, thanks for apologising. Twice.

Something doesnt quite tally, to me. But there you go.

For someone who now claims to have had a nasty opinion of me for such a long time, you've been remarkably hypocritical about it, it seems. I guess unless Im defending you Im just supposed to take your shit, though, eh?

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[fmr]

At TheoM and whyterabbyt: Could you two gentlemen please take your personal affair offline or through PM? Your last posts have nothing to do, even if remotely, to the topic.

[bluedad]

At TheoM and whyterabbyt: Could you two gentlemen please take your personal affair offline or through PM? Your last posts have nothing to do, even if remotely, to the topic.

just what I was going to say..thanks fmr.