Arturia's new plugins : Solina V and Matrix 12V

[paulbreeze]

7 and on are just bloated versions of XP.

That's simply not true... :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mi ... s_versions

the person that decided to exclude XP at arturia probably shares your mentality and should be fired....

That has more to do with what compiler they've used. Same issue with NI for example. VS2013 does use kernel calls not available in <Win7 ie.

[Examigan]

I finally gave up on XP when the B2 reverb was acting weird, (they had just updated it at that point, but with Win7 it works great) and also when I wanted to get Sonar X3, but XP wasn't officially supported for it either. I had been using Sonar 8.5 with XP before that.

It is a waste of time after a while to keep supporting an older OS, everything moves on. The newer OSs have the latest features that programmers can take advantage of.

Back on topic, I am going to try the demo of Matrix12V

[kurodo]

I like Matrix 12V
After listening to a lot of hardware demos I think Arturia have done a reasonable job approximating the character.

I don't think the presets really do it justice although there's some nice sounds to get started.
The modulation possibilities are one of its greatest strengths.

Like the original programming sounds is a bit clunky but worth the effort.
There's something about the Matrix 12V that makes me want to keep coming back for more.

[fmr]

And na entire page discussing the merits/demerits of XP and 7, instead of the synths

BTW, after all the bitching about the quality of the V versus the real one, only based on YT comparisons and memories, does anyone around here ACTUALLY have access to a real Matrix-12 to try to record real life comparisons of the same patch performed by the two?

I may be able to still get access to one in my former college (assuming it is still working, which I have to check first).

I think ghettosynth had one....

Then it would be good if he just record the outs dry into the DAW, and freeze a track with the exact same sequence playing in the Matrix-12 V, and post the results as FLAC files or something. Or I can take advantage of Christmas holidays and ask my friend who is a teacher at the college to provide me access to their Matrix-12. I'm on my way to phone him

[MetroSonus]

https://soundcloud.com/lv426m/matrix12-v

I wanted to share with you this filter sweeep. riser, drone patch I made in Matrix 12v before the demo pooped out on me.

I'm not 100% how close it sounds to the real deal and I'm not very good at making those characteristic sounds that these synths can be known for (warbly brassy sounds etc). But I do like it and think it has quite a bit of character.

The patch was performed in Live by assigning the cut off and resonance to the XY pad and I swept through as I held down D2 I believe.

Anyway, hope you enjoy the patch and it goes to show that we do indeed live in good times

[Ingonator]

Those 2 tutorial videos at the Arturia website seem to be really great to get a clue about the advanced features of Matrix-12V:
http://www.arturia.com/matrix-12-v/media

I am posting about my own experiences in this thread at the Arturia sub-forum:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4#p5961194

Also found 2 bugs so far which besides sending to Arturia support i also added here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6&start=45

[ghettosynth]

I've noticed that the patches posted so far really tend to hide the character of the filter, that's what I'd expect.

[fmr]

I've noticed that the patches posted so far really tend to hide the character of the filter, that's what I'd expect.

Do you really have the hardware, to post some comparisons?

I am currently making contacts to have access to one, and if/when I have, I plan to record the same patch on both, using the same sequence, and if possible, using the entire factory bank, since that is already available ij the virtual. It was many years since I had access to it, and YT recordings is not reliable enough source for an A/B comparison.

Anyway, right now, I am very pleased to what I already have

[ghettosynth]

I've noticed that the patches posted so far really tend to hide the character of the filter, that's what I'd expect.

Do you really have the hardware, to post some comparisons?

I am currently making contacts to have access to one, and if/when I have, I plan to record the same patch on both, using the same sequence, and if possible, using the entire factory bank, since that is already available ij the virtual. It was many years since I had access to it, and YT recordings is not reliable enough source for an A/B comparison.

Anyway, right now, I am very pleased to what I already have

Sounds like you have more spare time than I do.

[ghettosynth]

And na entire page discussing the merits/demerits of XP and 7, instead of the synths

BTW, after all the bitching about the quality of the V versus the real one, only based on YT comparisons and memories, does anyone around here ACTUALLY have access to a real Matrix-12 to try to record real life comparisons of the same patch performed by the two?

I may be able to still get access to one in my former college (assuming it is still working, which I have to check first).

Youtube videos are perfectly adequate for showing up gross differences in filter quality.

[Sendy]

This will get you closer to the Xpander filter sound.

http://www.doepfer.de/a1066.htm

Or this
http://www.doepfer.de/a107.htm

AFAIK Strobe (and by extension Strobe 2 which is upcoming) emulate the 15 filter modes of the Xpander filter as well. I'm not sure how accurate they are, but they sound great.

[Ingonator]

This will get you closer to the Xpander filter sound.

http://www.doepfer.de/a1066.htm

Or this
http://www.doepfer.de/a107.htm

AFAIK Strobe (and by extension Strobe 2 which is upcoming) emulate the 15 filter modes of the Xpander filter as well. I'm not sure how accurate they are, but they sound great.

The filters in Strobe do not seem to be similar to those in the Matrix 12.
The Strobe filters seem to miss the 1 Pole LPF, 3-Pole LPF, 1-Pole HPF, 3-Pole HPF, and the 3-Pole Phase Shift (+ the 3-Pole Phase Shift + 1-Pole LPF combination) filters.
Strobe includes some strange combined filter modes taht are not incuded in the Matrix-12.

This is a quotoe of angus from FXpansion at their forum:

They're not the same filters - although they have the same named response shapes, they're different circuit models. The Cypher filter is switchable between a Moog-derived (MG) and Oberheim-derived (SV) filter circuit; the Strobe filter is based on a Roland filter circuit & I'm not sure if it will even do a P4 shape - would have to look in to that.

Someone also seemed to mention that the character of the Strobe filter seems to be close to a Pro One.

Maybe some of those filter modes are inspired by the Matrix but they do not seem to be a full emulation of all Matrix modes. Besides that the rest of the synth engine of Strobe seems to be quite different.

AFAIK Alchemy includes some filter modes based on the Xpander (those with "XP") and Mach Five seems to include the Matrix-12 filtermodes (while it is more a sampler than a VA synth).


IMO for replacing the features of the Matrix-12 plugin there is currently no real alternative and i got a lot of other VA plugins for comparison.
Sound wise as alraedy mentioned adding some external FXs like Saturation (the free Klanghelm IVGI) and EQ (PSP NobleQ) could improve the low end which was my only real problem with the sound.

[Kriminal]

And na entire page discussing the merits/demerits of XP and 7, instead of the synths

BTW, after all the bitching about the quality of the V versus the real one, only based on YT comparisons and memories, does anyone around here ACTUALLY have access to a real Matrix-12 to try to record real life comparisons of the same patch performed by the two?

I may be able to still get access to one in my former college (assuming it is still working, which I have to check first).

Youtube videos are perfectly adequate for showing up gross differences in filter quality.

Only if you compare videos of two synths. YT audio is worse than mp3 128k.

[Ned Bouhalassa]

Well, I took the Matrix 12 V for a second spin, took another look at that 169 deal for V 4, and got my credit card. What can I say? I'm a slutz.

[stardustmedia]

wow... the download takes a while, although I have 100Mb/sec... be patient murat, be patient