Logic Pro v10.4 is out

[Bodhisan]

Oh look...You're still here. That's so cute

And you were looking for me! That is so cute!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

And you were looking for me!

No! Just some newfangled technology that sends thread update links to my email.

If there is a responsible adult close-by (And I'm guessing there needs to be...always), perhaps you could ask them to set it up for you

[Krakatau]

Oh look...You're still here. That's so cute

And you were looking for me! That is so cute!

more than ever, all you need is....

as i this last update !

[ferdik]

New version has a bug:In EXS24 you can not zoom audio file properly or move region starting point!!

Possible to move back to old version?

[Bombadil]

Only if you duplicated it, renamed it, before you upgraded, or have a Time Machine backup.

The never-ending debate between PC and Mac....

What would be great would be if someone could gather quantitative data regarding OS updates intentionally slowing down Macs. There's a fortune to be made by some hotshot lawyers in a class-action suit there.

[Winstontaneous]

This was my experience when buying my MacBook Pro in 2012. I actually would have preferred to buy a Windows machine - but after hearing numerous horror stories on KVR and from producer friends about DPC latency, device priority and FireWire incompatibility - the only Windows machine I could find that ticked all the boxes (fast HD, guaranteed low latency, TI Firewire) was a custom ADK that was heavier, more expensive, and had shorter battery life (and warranty IIRC). Not sure if it was plastic or metal chassis.

That doesn't prevent me of thinking that current Macs are underspec'd and overpriced.

I never understand this "thinking".

What you mean you can build a comparable machine for less?

I hear this a lot yet no-one else on earth seems to sell a 5k screened, all in one, with aluminium chassis, aluminium wireless keyboard, and wireless mouse for a lesser cost, why?

Apparently not even custom builders. So on a per spec basis, it is overpriced. But I doubt many if any buy a Mac for 'just the specs' because if they did they'd be brain dead. Thus it's unrealistic to compare spec for spec whilst looking at soley price vs price.

[Zexila]

Exactly, people easily forget how much went into research, assembly, testing and just trying to make hardware and software work for the best, you all know Kaine and what he does for a living, I don't and can't do that, so I'm willing to pay extra for his hard work... Apple got their Kaine's too and they bring food on the table doing that 9 to 5.

[Bombadil]

Here is a pretty good idea of how the new horn section works, although he seemed to have trouble with a couple of articulations. Amazing. Realistic, imo.

And FREEEEE!

Looks great.

However, I am having a problem replicating something in this vid. Help!

Around the 15:00 mark, he starts to use individual instruments after using the Chicago section.

His MIDI clips for the solo instruments have Articulation dropdown. Mine don't. Is there a setting somewhere that I have to check off to get this feature? (I did have the Articulation dropdown for Chicago)

For clarification, I mean the dropdown when you work in the Midi region, as opposed to the actual plugin.

Thanks!

Yeah, that one made me scratch my head, as well. I haven't tried the solo instruments yet. When I tried to load the brass instrument from the instruments list, there was no articulation menu. You have to go in via the library. I assume that the solo instruments must be accessed the same way. Otherwise, I have no idea, and I guess we'll have to wait for the user's manual, or more tutorial vids. Or, just mess about with it until we get lucky.

Thanks for the help. With a bit of messing about, here's what I found out:

If you Create an Empty Channel Strip, and then go Library>Studio Horns>Single Instruments>Studio Trumpet 1...
you will see the Articulation Dropdown list in the Midi Clip,

If You Create a Studio Horn, and then go Library>Lead Instruments>Studio Trumpet 1...
you will not see the Articulation dropdown list in the clip

Not sure if that is a bug - same Instrument, you'd think the Dropdown should be there as well...

Yep, that works. I just did a little test. I also instantiated a new duplicate track of the solo trumpet, changed it to studio strings (not even from the library) and the articulation menu was there. I really like the way they have the articulation method setup. Simple, elegant, and will make my life a lot easier. I have VSL Instrument Pro, and getting the articulation changes going in its sequencer, well, I've never managed to get it going, and even the middling experiments I've tried with it took me ages. I expect there are VSL pros out there who can make it work within their workflow, but I basically gave up on it.

[machinesworking]

Only if you duplicated it, renamed it, before you upgraded, or have a Time Machine backup.

The never-ending debate between PC and Mac....

What would be great would be if someone could gather quantitative data regarding OS updates intentionally slowing down Macs. There's a fortune to be made by some hotshot lawyers in a class-action suit there.

Not that I want to get into this one, but the recent uproar about the iphone slowing down when the battery was starting to lose charge (get old etc.), is mostly smoke and mirrors. The reason is pretty straightforward, if the OS detects not enough charge coming from the battery it will shut down seemingly randomly in order to protect the hardware from damage. All OS's will do the same. With laptops it's not that uncommon, I just went through this with a 2012 macbook pro, at 40% or lower reading in the battery level it would sometimes randomly shut down. It eventually gave a warning about the battery, and replacing it solved this 100%
Randomly shutting down is not an option for phones, so not only Apple, but Androids and all of them really, will power down the CPU in order to prevent this from happening. Especially if a new OS is taking more juice to run.

Long story shorter, Geekbench gives no worse scores on my machines with newer OS updates, and in laptops at least, the solution isn't powering down the CPU, but shutting down entirely if power is an issue.

[Bombadil]

Thanks for your insight. My compter boots slightly slower with Sierra rather than El Cap. Also, I had updates make an i7 mini server unuseable for recording. So, I am wary, and while I tend to be a bit of a risk taker, I am now extremely conservative when it comes to OS updates. Every year... is ridiculous.

[machinesworking]

Thanks for your insight. My compter boots slightly slower with Sierra rather than El Cap. Also, I had updates make an i7 mini server unuseable for recording. So, I am wary, and while I tend to be a bit of a risk taker, I am now extremely conservative when it comes to OS updates. Every year... is ridiculous.

I'm normally a year behind, it's best to wait for updates and upgrades in general for sure, and newer OS's can be more hungry for CPU, RAM, GPU etc.

Even more terrifying is where I'm at right now, Apple with High Sierra wrote a driver for generic NVME drives. NVME is the latest in drive tech, supposedly faster load times etc. it's better than SATA but Apple until High Sierra didn't have generic drivers for NVME, so I've been using a X86 hacked driver to run a 512GB SM951 NVME drive I bought for super cheap not knowing NVME was different than SATA. Anyway the drive is super fast and I have the orchestral libraries on it, making them actually something I would use rather than making that decision not to use them because who wants to wait a minute to load...
So I have a stable Sierra setup with a hacked driver, but it's very very tempting to see if Apple didn't write a better driver... and there are reports of High Sierra not working that well with DP9 so I'm wary.

Looking at Logic these days though I think I'm ready to go back, it's Logic or Reaper, since both have the features I want, but after looking into it it seems that Logic is beating the pants off of Reaper in terms of loops, and incorporating Live like time stretching ease of use. Plus ARA support.

[jonljacobi]

NVMe is indeed faster in every conceivable way. It's PCIe and uses multiple queues unlike AHCI/SATA. How much faster depends on the drive. Some of the best we've tested top 3GBps sustained reads and well over 2GBps writing. Some of the cheaper ones coming out now still read at 2GBps but slow down on sustained writes to 700MBps to 575MBps. Random access is generally absurd for all of them. As low as .018ms where SATA runs about 0.040 at best.

Moving from hard drives to SATA SSDs is a thrill, moving from SATA SSDs to NVMe is about half that jump subjectively, depending on what you do and how you were running on the SATA SSD. Running OS X on a Skulltrail NUC with two NVMe SSDs (Samsung 960 Pros) was a revelation. Now I'll just have to try it with the real Apple drivers.

All that said, I have no real issue with my SSD-based 2013 four-core i7 Mini. It doesn't make me wait much which is really all it's about for me.

[Bombadil]

^Sprichst Du Englisch?

[djanthonyw]

The sound of the new EQs isn’t that great, and it takes a second for the sound to actually update after you move any of the controls.

The studio horns and strings sound great, but I think the UIs could be better.

Overall, really impressive update.

[Michael L]

^Sprichst Du Englisch?

Translation: His old Mac mini is fast enough for him, but the latest hackintosh is much faster.
BTW if your OS is booting slowly, sometimes its because there are new CPU-demanding features that start on launch that you could disable, or old launch scripts that no longer have executables that you could delete. Etre Check will help.