Presonus : "So we are targeting 3-4 "major" feature releases every year..."

[audiojunkie]

1. Presonus is not going out of business, they are simply reevaluating their initial subscription plan.

2.Studio One is not likely going away, and will likely continue to get updates—the big unknown is how you will be charged for those updates—and we already know that it won’t likely be through subscription.

Appreciate the sentiment but please point me to where PreSonus has "on the record" stated your assumptions. Right now, they just put a 30% off sale on their upgrade plans so it doesn't sound like they are reevaluating anything.

Why would anyone buy an upgrade plan now if PreSonus is rethinking what they presented October 2024? And why would anyone buy an upgrade plan NOW without any idea when another update might happen? There probably aren't too many existing users that want the current feature set and haven't already bought it since spring. It sounds like a money grab to pull in some more cash hoping users just "trust them" - which isn't going to happen given their recent track record.

All I want from PreSonus is an UPDATE for their customer base who are currently churning all kinds of theories to fill in the silence. Seems like that would be a pretty simple good business practice.

Earlier in this thread is a video from Presonus that essentially states that their subscription plan didn’t work, and that they are changing things back (my words, not theirs—I don’t remember the exact wording). That’s where I gathered my assumptions, and that’s the thing that started these pages and pages of commentary by others feeling this way too. It’s all speculation, of course, until Presonus makes anything official, but that video led many of us to our opinions that the current pricing model is likely to change.

[CapnLockheed]

You should feel lucky if all you have to worry about is your bl@@dy software. There are people with real life problems. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's life.
If all I had to think about was Studio One, I'd be in heaven, right now my life is rolling down a hill because of mistakes I've made. We all make mistakes, we just have to accept them and deal with them the best we can. Right now, I'd rather not be here to live through them if you know what I mean. Being scared to live is tough. I'd rather not be alive but I don't have the balls to take it and end it. Some days I'm in physical pain for hours and other times I'm in mental pain that lasts for days.

get some help, call a family member or the local hospital mental health crisis team
this isn't the place.

Totally agree. Sorry about your problems but, frankly, I don't appreciate your attempt to lay a guilt trip on us with your personal issues. I could write a laundry list of my own mental and physical problems, but this is not the appropriate place for that. This is an audio forum and your post is completely irrelevant to the topic. Get some help.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Why would anyone buy an upgrade plan now if PreSonus is rethinking what they presented October 2024? And why would anyone buy an upgrade plan NOW without any idea when another update might happen?

Any existing user that is now "outside" their annual update plan OR subscription - should play it VERY smart and not spend another dime. If you do - I simply do not understand the rational.

All I want from PreSonus is an UPDATE for their customer base who are currently churning all kinds of theories to fill in the silence. Seems like that would be a pretty simple good business practice.

If you actually think Fender (who is really behind all this) is going to say anything to any of us - about any of this - have fun waiting.

The last thing any business will admit is failure - especially if their marketing plans and pricing models completely imploded. (which seems to be the case after this disasterous 2025).

As of S1 - for a large bulk of us - the annual update "plan" is now complete and no money is owed. If you are on a sub - let it run out and put yourself in the best spot to be in from a user standpoint.

Ideally - you want to be able to sit back and see what comes next (whenever that is) without worry about spending a dime.

v7.2.3 is about as solid as it gets for me - I could wait months before needing to make any kind of move.

VP

[THE INTRANCER]

Apologies for my previous post, I can only request the mods here delete my post and subsequent re-posts of it in members replies. Yes life is difficult for me right now, but that doesn't mean that I should get all heavy in what is supposed to be a lighthearted topic of frustration about how Presonus have handled the expectations in which users have had throughout the year. For me, Studio One 7 Pro, goes way beyond my needs, I wasn't expecting anything major in the space of a year. If X,Y, and Z were promised beforehand then I'd understand some disappointment. But that didn't happen. If you buy for what something gives you now, then anything else is a bonus whether you find use for it or not.

[greymattre98]

Earlier in this thread is a video from Presonus that essentially states that their subscription plan didn’t work, and that they are changing things back (my words, not theirs—I don’t remember the exact wording). That’s where I gathered my assumptions, and that’s the thing that started these pages and pages of commentary by others feeling this way too. It’s all speculation, of course, until Presonus makes anything official, but that video led many of us to our opinions that the current pricing model is likely to change.

I believe you are referring to the interview with Gregor. That, as far as I know, was nothing official and he was pointing out how the industry is struggling with subscription vs perpetual license. The interview was more about him as an artist and the interviewer did have to ask about PreSonus since Gregor is basically one of the few "faces" of PreSonus. But I don't believe he was representing the company in that interview and was probably chastised for what he DID say.

As far as Bitwig's business model vs PreSonus, there is one HUGE difference. Bitwig communicates what they have planned. Their next major release was announced in AUGUST and anyone on their upgrade plan can beta test and provide bug reports / feedback so they can be heavily involved in the eventual release. They are working WITH their customers to make a better product as opposed to PreSonus who actually shut down their own forums that at least allowed a dialog. Now you can only submit a request or report a bug and you are lucky if they ever acknowledge it at all. Yes, I am bitter after sinking money into Atom SQ, finding some major design flaws with hardcoded midi channels and now it sits collecting dust because they won't even address the issue.

[greymattre98]

Why would anyone buy an upgrade plan now if PreSonus is rethinking what they presented October 2024? And why would anyone buy an upgrade plan NOW without any idea when another update might happen?

Any existing user that is now "outside" their annual update plan OR subscription - should play it VERY smart and not spend another dime. If you do - I simply do not understand the rational.

All I want from PreSonus is an UPDATE for their customer base who are currently churning all kinds of theories to fill in the silence. Seems like that would be a pretty simple good business practice.

If you actually think Fender (who is really behind all this) is going to say anything to any of us - about any of this - have fun waiting.

Exactly, no one in their right mind would pay for an upgrade at this point unless they aren't yet on 7. But PreSonus is still trying to beef up sales (and right before the end of the year instead of the normal Thanksgiving / Cyber sales).

I'm not waiting for anything. I'm already moving on. I'm just venting with the hope that a company I have invested in for many years might actually listen.

You might say the email from PreSonus with their 30% off sale just sparked another check in / vent.

[audiojunkie]

Earlier in this thread is a video from Presonus that essentially states that their subscription plan didn’t work, and that they are changing things back (my words, not theirs—I don’t remember the exact wording). That’s where I gathered my assumptions, and that’s the thing that started these pages and pages of commentary by others feeling this way too. It’s all speculation, of course, until Presonus makes anything official, but that video led many of us to our opinions that the current pricing model is likely to change.

I believe you are referring to the interview with Gregor. That, as far as I know, was nothing official and he was pointing out how the industry is struggling with subscription vs perpetual license. The interview was more about him as an artist and the interviewer did have to ask about PreSonus since Gregor is basically one of the few "faces" of PreSonus. But I don't believe he was representing the company in that interview and was probably chastised for what he DID say.

As far as Bitwig's business model vs PreSonus, there is one HUGE difference. Bitwig communicates what they have planned. Their next major release was announced in AUGUST and anyone on their upgrade plan can beta test and provide bug reports / feedback so they can be heavily involved in the eventual release. They are working WITH their customers to make a better product as opposed to PreSonus who actually shut down their own forums that at least allowed a dialog. Now you can only submit a request or report a bug and you are lucky if they ever acknowledge it at all. Yes, I am bitter after sinking money into Atom SQ, finding some major design flaws with hardcoded midi channels and now it sits collecting dust because they won't even address the issue.

You are correct on both accounts. I can’t argue against what you say. We just won’t know until Presonus makes an official statement.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

But PreSonus is still trying to beef up sales (and right before the end of the year instead of the normal Thanksgiving / Cyber sales).

That sale email is standard operating procedure for them. They have done that year in and year out forever. Has nothing to do whatsoever with any future plans.

And given Gregors recent comments (official or not) - IF these guys are bleeding cash - a sale is a sale is a sale - and customer is a customer. Can't blame them for trying.

VP

[Vocalpoint Studios]

You are correct on both accounts. I can’t argue against what you say. We just won’t know until Presonus makes an official statement.

As I mentioned to another user - hard to imagine any mea culpa or "statement" of any kind coming from Fender on any of this - makes no sense for them to go there.

VP

[audiojunkie]

They are working WITH their customers to make a better product as opposed to PreSonus who actually shut down their own forums that at least allowed a dialog. Now you can only submit a request or report a bug and you are lucky if they ever acknowledge it at all.

You can blame Fender for all the corporate shutdowns of the forum etc. Presonus mostly likely had nothing to say or a leg to stand on when that came down from head office.

You are correct on both accounts. I can’t argue against what you say. We just won’t know until Presonus makes an official statement.

As I mentioned to another user - hard to imagine any mea culpa or "statement" of any kind coming from Fender on any of this - makes no sense for them to go there.



VP

I believe the first statement that you attributed to me was actually from someone else.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I believe the first statement that you attributed to me was actually from someone else.

Fixed...

VP

[andypryce]

I suspect a restructure is/was going on with Fender Presonus deal that caused the mediocre updates and not meeting the promises. I wouldn’t be surprised if Presonus name as a brand melted in Fender and we get Fender Studio One with the next update whenever that is along with rebranded hardwares. They already have Fender Studio which is a cut down Studio One, so…

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I suspect a restructure is/was going on with Fender Presonus deal that caused the mediocre updates and not meeting the promises. I wouldn’t be surprised if Presonus name as a brand melted in Fender and we get Fender Studio One with the next update whenever that is along with rebranded hardwares. They already have Fender Studio which is a cut down Studio One, so…

Agreed.

And if anyone thought that fiasco a month or two ago when Presonus suddenly decided to update their password database and suddenly every S1 user needed a "Fender" account (whether we wanted it or not) was rando - if that is not enough of a hint - not sure what it.

Even the Fender logon portal page looks identical to the MyPresonus page.

VP

[thievedletter]

And you thought dumping that on us was the thing to do?

To reply like you just did to his pained post marks you out as a total zero of a human being IMO.

When someone writes as he did. I think the old adage holds true that if you don’t have something good to say, shut up.

I've dealt with enough alcoholics dumping their crap on me in my life. I don't need to do it in a discussion about Studio One.

[jamcat]

I’m not paying for an upgrade, even at 30% off right now.

I’m going forward assuming FenderPreSonus is going to remove the artificial expiration for version 7 licenses. I’ll probably be disappointed. But I’m not going to give them any more money until we have clarity about where they’re going with this, and probably not until there is a real upgrade to version 8. I won’t pay them without getting something real in return.