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[Innermost]

I have to find where the Cubase logs are stored. As for what actions I took to make it crash, it varies. One time I did nothing. Cubase was idle. I went to do something else and when I came back I got a message the file will be saved under a new name because of a crash. I have no idea what could have caused that when I wasn't even in the program.

I wil get you whatever info I can.

Ok. Thanks. What if you open the VST Plug-in Manager (Studio > VST Plug-in Manager) and check in Blocklist/Blocklisted and check if there's something in?
Or here on windows? Check for .dmp files:
C:\Users\[your_username]\Documents\Steinberg\CrashDumps\
or
C:\Users\[your_username]\AppData\Local\CrashDumps\

Or here on MacOS, check for .ips files:
~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/

[wagtunes]

Okay, here you go. I'd say about 50% of this track was done with Neural but not in the conventional manner until the outro where I just let it run.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural

[Innermost]

Okay, here you go. I'd say about 50% of this track was done with Neural but not in the conventional manner until the outro where I just let it run.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural

Wow that's very nice!! And so, where is the AI? I can't hear what are the layers which are using Obsidian Neural. I am so curious about how you built it all! Very nice!
Can I share that song on obsidian-neural.com ?

[wagtunes]

Okay, here you go. I'd say about 50% of this track was done with Neural but not in the conventional manner until the outro where I just let it run.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural

Wow that's very nice!! And so, where is the AI? I can't hear what are the layers which are using Obsidian Neural. I am so curious about how you built it all! Very nice!
Can I share that song on obsidian-neural.com ?

You absolutely can share it. You can't tell what's Neural? Good. Then my task was successful. A well made song, you're not supposed to tell what's AI.

The kick drum and percussion are Neural. The snares are Battery 4. The synth bass that you hear on and off is Neural. The C minor piano chord at the beginning of each line of the verse is Neural. The voice is Neural. The outro at the end is 4 tracks of Neural. Everything else is a variety of synths. Oh, and the vocals are me singing and then uploading my vocals to Audimee.com to have them converted.

Here is a list of the other synths used.

Full Bucket FB799964 (Korg DW8000 emulation)
Linplug Morphox
Cherry Audio Sines
Camel Audio Alchemy
FXpansion Cypher2
U-he Diva
Synapse Audio Dune 3
Native Instruments Battery 4

Okay, found the crash logs. Neural was not the cause of the crash. It was another vst that I had loaded. So I think we're good. Of course I will keep an eye on things just in case.

[Innermost]

Okay, here you go. I'd say about 50% of this track was done with Neural but not in the conventional manner until the outro where I just let it run.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural

Wow that's very nice!! And so, where is the AI? I can't hear what are the layers which are using Obsidian Neural. I am so curious about how you built it all! Very nice!
Can I share that song on obsidian-neural.com ?

You absolutely can share it. You can't tell what's Neural? Good. Then my task was successful. A well made song, you're not supposed to tell what's AI.

The kick drum and percussion are Neural. The snares are Battery 4. The synth bass that you hear on and off is Neural. The C minor piano chord at the beginning of each line of the verse is Neural. The voice is Neural. The outro at the end is 4 tracks of Neural. Everything else is a variety of synths. Oh, and the vocals are me singing and then uploading my vocals to Audimee.com to have them converted.

Here is a list of the other synths used.

Full Bucket FB799964 (Korg DW8000 emulation)
Linplug Morphox
Cherry Audio Sines
Camel Audio Alchemy
FXpansion Cypher2
U-he Diva
Synapse Audio Dune 3
Native Instruments Battery 4

Okay, found the crash logs. Neural was not the cause of the crash. It was another vst that I had loaded. So I think we're good. Of course I will keep an eye on things just in case.

Ok very nice description!! Thanks!!
Then Obsidian Neural is just a software amongst other softwares if I understand you correctly?
Except crashes (and wow I am feeling relieved it's perhaps not because of Obsidian), what do you think of the concept now you have built one track using it? What do you think are its strength and weakness? What would you say to someone who'd be curious about but wouldn't dare to use it? Or someone who'd be pro AI or on the other hand who'd be anti AI?
And I didn't understood, if I share your track on my website, you are ok I share the link to your soundcloud and that I say that you integrated Obsidian Neural in your composition but that that's only a part of everything?
And, I am curious, how did you sequence the generations? Drag and drop, or you used the VST sequencer? I know that's a lot of questions, just pick the ones you feel ok to answer ^^

[wagtunes]

Okay, here you go. I'd say about 50% of this track was done with Neural but not in the conventional manner until the outro where I just let it run.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural

Wow that's very nice!! And so, where is the AI? I can't hear what are the layers which are using Obsidian Neural. I am so curious about how you built it all! Very nice!
Can I share that song on obsidian-neural.com ?

You absolutely can share it. You can't tell what's Neural? Good. Then my task was successful. A well made song, you're not supposed to tell what's AI.

The kick drum and percussion are Neural. The snares are Battery 4. The synth bass that you hear on and off is Neural. The C minor piano chord at the beginning of each line of the verse is Neural. The voice is Neural. The outro at the end is 4 tracks of Neural. Everything else is a variety of synths. Oh, and the vocals are me singing and then uploading my vocals to Audimee.com to have them converted.

Here is a list of the other synths used.

Full Bucket FB799964 (Korg DW8000 emulation)
Linplug Morphox
Cherry Audio Sines
Camel Audio Alchemy
FXpansion Cypher2
U-he Diva
Synapse Audio Dune 3
Native Instruments Battery 4

Okay, found the crash logs. Neural was not the cause of the crash. It was another vst that I had loaded. So I think we're good. Of course I will keep an eye on things just in case.

Ok very nice description!! Thanks!!
Then Obsidian Neural is just a software amongst other softwares if I understand you correctly?
Except crashes (and wow I am feeling relieved it's perhaps not because of Obsidian), what do you think of the concept now you have built one track using it? What do you think are its strength and weakness? What would you say to someone who'd be curious about but wouldn't dare to use it? Or someone who'd be pro AI or on the other hand who'd be anti AI?
And I didn't understood, if I share your track on my website, you are ok I share the link to your soundcloud and that I say that you integrated Obsidian Neural in your composition but that that's only a part of everything?
And, I am curious, how did you sequence the generations? Drag and drop, or you used the VST sequencer? I know that's a lot of questions, just pick the ones you feel ok to answer ^^

I'll try to answer as many of your questions as I can.

First of all, you can share anything you want. No restrictions.

Okay, software amongst other software? Yes and no. In some places yes. In other places it was used just as you would use it. Primarily the outro. Listen to it again. Those are 4 loops going at one time.

Because Neural automatically starts with transport playback, what I had to do to only get it to play in certain places was to feed it to an audio track. Record the part I want to play and then take that audio clip and insert it into all the places I want it to play. So there was a lot of copy and paste.

What do I think of the concept? If it's meant to b used the way you intended (like in your videos) it's not really my thing. I'm a songwriter and this is more a groove maker. But, if used the way I used it, I think it can spark some creative ideas that you can then expand on, which is what I did in this song. So for me, it's a songwriting aid. I can see myself using it from time to time.

As to strengths and weaknesses? It's a great groove maker but a lousy songwriter.

As to what I would say to somebody. I'd say go into it with an open mind. If you think outside the box, you can find some interesting uses for it. Or you might like it just the way it is.

If there is anything you're still not clear on, ask away.

[Innermost]

Thanks!!! So finally, the most controversial one, do you think AI kills musicians creativity or replace musicians if used like that?

[wagtunes]

Thanks!!! So finally, the most controversial one, do you think AI kills musicians creativity or replace musicians if used like that?

I think a tool is a tool. In the hands of an idiot, you get idiotic results. In the hands of someone skilled, you het something decent. At least there is a better chance to get something decent. I'm not into the whole condemn the tool because of what the tool is. There are just as many people who use a traditional synth as their are people who use AI who make nothing but crap. It's not the tool. It's the person using it.

[TheMaestro]

Lol

[wagtunes]

Lol

Same to you.

[Innermost]

Lol

Same to you.

Welcome on the dark side... Where facing people who criticizes what they don't even try or try to understand is very exhausting...
May the force be with you. And thanks for all the time you have taken to try Obsidian, to have composed a song using it, that means so much for me

[Innermost]

Lol

Lol what?
Did you even try what you are laughing about? What is your point of view El Maestro?

[Innermost]

Thanks!!! So finally, the most controversial one, do you think AI kills musicians creativity or replace musicians if used like that?

I think a tool is a tool. In the hands of an idiot, you get idiotic results. In the hands of someone skilled, you het something decent. At least there is a better chance to get something decent. I'm not into the whole condemn the tool because of what the tool is. There are just as many people who use a traditional synth as their are people who use AI who make nothing but crap. It's not the tool. It's the person using it.

Thanks so much for your feedback. If the user doesn't have any creativity or imagination, nothing interesting will result of it. I agree. I am very curious to see how people will use it after one or two years for example. That's what is interesting as a developper, to see people using your creation on a way that the dev didn't even thought.

[Innermost]

Lol

Still waiting for your arguments.

[wagtunes]

Lol

Still waiting for your arguments.

Oh ignore him. He's one of our forum trolls. All that ever comes out of him is negativity and insults. The dead bug on my windshield gives more value to this forum than he does.