Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[wagtunes]

It isn't the synth that's boring me. It's the thought of getting any more synths on top of what I have. Eventually, some of us reach a point where the synth itself, regardless of how amazing it is, doesn't matter. We've had enough.

I've reached that point.

i get that ...
i even subscribe to that feeling ...

you , however , have the consideration that this is a ( potential ) viable source of income ...
i will be interested to see if you continue your hold out ...

Traditionally, NI synths don't do well for me. They are my worst performers. So there isn't even that incentive for me. Granted, the hype surrounding this thing could change that, but I just don't care enough to find out. I'd rather make additional libraries for the synths that do well for me, something many people here said I should do instead of chasing after every shiny new object that comes out.

[wagtunes]

It isn't the synth that's boring me. It's the thought of getting any more synths on top of what I have. Eventually, some of us reach a point where the synth itself, regardless of how amazing it is, doesn't matter. We've had enough.

I've reached that point.

i get that ...
i even subscribe to that feeling ...

you , however , have the consideration that this is a ( potential ) viable source of income ...
i will be interested to see if you continue your hold out ...

Right, which he's said is the only reason that he buys synths. I think he's just being contrary for the sake of it.

As I explained to Experimental, NI synths do poorly for me, unlike U-he synths that all sell well for me. So there's no incentive for me to even take a chance on this one.

[experimental.crow]

It isn't the synth that's boring me. It's the thought of getting any more synths on top of what I have. Eventually, some of us reach a point where the synth itself, regardless of how amazing it is, doesn't matter. We've had enough.

I've reached that point.

i get that ...
i even subscribe to that feeling ...

you , however , have the consideration that this is a ( potential ) viable source of income ...
i will be interested to see if you continue your hold out ...

Traditionally, NI synths don't do well for me. They are my worst performers. So there isn't even that incentive for me. Granted, the hype surrounding this thing could change that, but I just don't care enough to find out. I'd rather make additional libraries for the synths that do well for me, something many people here said I should do instead of chasing after every shiny new object that comes out.

well considered ...
still ...

[s28]

OMG I'm so happy !!! I've just finished browsing the presets and... I haven't been impressed at all by what I've heard !! My wallet is safe... for now !

No presets and just made some really nice patches with it. Very different experiences!

Yes but I can't do this !! Because if I make sounds I'm unable to do with my other synths, I'll have to buy this one !

Ah I see what your going for! I am not resistant to getting it as I have so few software synths as it is, just the price is a bit steep as I own no NI products, still affordable but I totally understand! Listen to the shite presets and move along haha. I will likely wait but I can imagine getting this at some point.

I'm going on holiday tomorrow and planning on getting a Make Noise 0-Coast soon so they are priority!

[mholloway]

Hey guys, did you get the message yet? Wagtunes doesn't like NI synths very much, they don't really do anything for him, and the last thing he needs is yet another synth, and therefore Massive X is "BORING"....and so that's why he spends all day posting in this thread for discussion of a new NI synth.

Makes perfect sense.... if you're a solipsistic troll who needs to make everything about themselves.

[wagtunes]

Hey guys, did you get the message yet? Wagtunes doesn't like NI synths very much, they don't really do anything for him, and the last thing he needs is yet another synth, and therefore Massive X is "BORING"....and so that's why he spends all day posting in this thread for discussion of a new NI synth.

Makes perfect sense.... if you're a solipsistic troll who needs to make everything about themselves.

And another one for my ignore list. Have a nice day jackass.

[ghettosynth]

Nobody cares about the aliasing?

Yes, no. I think that they've made a compromise here. They had to release it and any choice to add a HQ mode to the oscillators would probably require more testing. Maybe they could hardwire more oversampling, but, that would mean that on release it would consume much more CPU. Look at all the whining about that on KVR, it wouldn't go well.

So, they released with a reasonable level for many/most use cases to get the product out of the door. If there's blowback owing to the aliasing then they can tout that as an improvement in a later release. At that point, the mean CPU performance level across the population of users will be higher so the impact of an HQ mode will have less impact on sales.

So, would I like that HQ mode now, yes! Do I really care that much, not really, it sounds great, it has great filters and the oscillators themselves have tons of character.

From my POV, I would have upgraded to Komplete 12 just for Kontakt 6. Kontakt and Reaktor drive automatic upgrades for me. Maybe not immediately in the case of Kontakt, but I'm not going to wait past the first half price sale.

[JoeCat]

Just watched a bit of that video on the aliasing - I see it in also with a spectrum analyzer on the sine wave, for example, with peak harmonics around -96 db...

I think it matter when using audiorate modulations and complex osc, right?...

Sounds about right, which makes me wonder if there's aliasing in the oscillator or something intorduced further down the signal path (if that's possible). I thought with the routing I could bypass everything (including the amp envelope, though not sure how that would add to the problem), but doesn't look like it.

As someone else mentioned, if it sounds good then it is good, yet, for the price I’m kind of shocked that it had more aliasing than the original. Maybe that’s what explains why it also uses less CPU.

True, and it won't stop me from enjoying the synth, but like you said, it may affect complex modulation, etc. - so it may be hard to achieve a certain result because of the aliasing, and it might not be obvious why. It's often the case that something doesn't sound the way I think it should but someone more knowledgeable knows why.

Non-synth case in point: a friend bought some vintage pickups for a Telecaster and his 'b' string didn't sound right. Turns out one of the magnets was mounted reversed so the poles where out of phase. Had no idea that was a thing!

[JoeCat]

Nobody cares about the aliasing?

Yes, no. I think that they've made a compromise here. They had to release it and any choice to add a HQ mode to the oscillators would probably require more testing. Maybe they could hardwire more oversampling, but, that would mean that on release it would consume much more CPU. Look at all the whining about that on KVR, it wouldn't go well...

Did they spec the oversampling? I'd imagine it's at least 2x - not sure what the HQ mode was on the original - probably 4x given the time it was released (I don't think it was spec'd in the manual). Maybe I'll shut up until I watch that whole video tomorrow morning

[ghettosynth]

Nobody cares about the aliasing?

Yes, no. I think that they've made a compromise here. They had to release it and any choice to add a HQ mode to the oscillators would probably require more testing. Maybe they could hardwire more oversampling, but, that would mean that on release it would consume much more CPU. Look at all the whining about that on KVR, it wouldn't go well...

Did they spec the oversampling? I'd imagine it's at least 2x - not sure what the HQ mode was on the original - probably 4x given the time it was released (I don't think it was spec'd in the manual). Maybe I'll shut up until I watch that whole video tomorrow morning

I don't know, don't care, not at this point. I think that everyone can agree that the synth feels a bit rushed. I'm not surprised given the delay.

[pdxindy]

Nobody cares about the aliasing?

Yes, no. I think that they've made a compromise here. They had to release it and any choice to add a HQ mode to the oscillators would probably require more testing. Maybe they could hardwire more oversampling, but, that would mean that on release it would consume much more CPU. Look at all the whining about that on KVR, it wouldn't go well.

There's already been quite a few things being suggested as incomplete and to be added later. Still, a pretty interesting synth. Free of Reaktor, some of the sound quality from Blocks, polyphony and not a crushing CPU use.

I think I'll wait until it has received some updates and see where it goes, but it least has some interest for me.

[pdxindy]

I think that everyone can agree that the synth feels a bit rushed. I'm not surprised given the delay.

In that case it was announced way too soon.

[Yorrrrrr]

Dissapointed with Massive X. Nothing to see here having Hive 2 and DUNE 3.

[ghettosynth]

I think that everyone can agree that the synth feels a bit rushed. I'm not surprised given the delay.

In that case it was announced way too soon.

Yes, I think that it was, but, remember that its impending release was leaked in some XML files or some such. Without that they could have pulled it from Komplete 12 and none would be the wiser.

[pdxindy]

I think that everyone can agree that the synth feels a bit rushed. I'm not surprised given the delay.

In that case it was announced way too soon.

Yes, I think that it was, but, remember that its impending release was leaked in some XML files or some such. Without that they could have pulled it from Komplete 12 and none would be the wiser.

and in the end, it just doesn't matter... it's all good!